bucket is attacking me

[Fredrik.thylin]

I did not know anything about this quest, but i started it. Now the bucket guy is attacking me in most of the boss fights. Is there anything i can do?
Do i have to start another character instead?

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by IchigoMait:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Save Scumming isn't "being smart," it is making an excuse for poor, trial and error game design.

In real life it's called being smart, you're just giving yourself superficial limits.
I haven't savescummed here, no need. But I did save scum in elden ring, made a save before losing access to the mad ending, got all the other endings first, except ranni, with also save scum right at the end, then reloaded 1 hour back to the madness part lock out part and cleared out everything again, but this time getting that ending, but did save before doing that, and then got as the final one ranni's ending.

IRL, it's called cheating.

I have done it before in older games, but then I realized that it just ruined the experience, and I started avoiding doing it at all.

[IchigoMait]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by IchigoMait:

In real life it's called being smart, you're just giving yourself superficial limits.
I haven't savescummed here, no need. But I did save scum in elden ring, made a save before losing access to the mad ending, got all the other endings first, except ranni, with also save scum right at the end, then reloaded 1 hour back to the madness part lock out part and cleared out everything again, but this time getting that ending, but did save before doing that, and then got as the final one ranni's ending.

IRL, it's called cheating.

I have done it before in older games, but then I realized that it just ruined the experience, and I started avoiding doing it at all.

It ain't cheating, it's called loading a save file. Like there are people who use cloud saves, that would be also cheating by your logic.

Or are you calling everyone a cheater who has ever loaded a save file, including the ones who got a corrupt save file and devs provided them free vigor to compensate the leveling up time?

Also in real life you don't cheat, you use your brains. Rules are self imposed by people who don't use those rules themselves, so others can't make use of it. While in game, there are peeps like you who self impose rules to have more fun, and whine when other people don't do it too.

Sounds like you're one of those pvp duel guys, who wants people to bow before engaging, nobody cares, you don't care how other people play, nobody has to care how you play. So stop making up rules.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by IchigoMait:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

IRL, it's called cheating.

I have done it before in older games, but then I realized that it just ruined the experience, and I started avoiding doing it at all.

It ain't cheating, it's called loading a save file. Like there are people who use cloud saves, that would be also cheating by your logic.

Wrong. Using a cloud save to pick up on a different device isn't remotely similar. Using a cloud save to recover from a corrupted save isn't the same either. Using a save to pick up where you left off is another intended function of the game.

Using an underhanded method to bypass intended autosaves is simply cheating.

[Limp Squirrel]

Originally posted by IchigoMait:

Originally posted by Squidcake:

Where in this hint do you see a reference to four? I don't see any way to tell the limit is four here.

Seems you don't understand the idea behind the entire hint.
Everything is a hint, it doesn't literally tell you where to go, or what to do.

"Yet hoard not without measure, show mutual regard,
For greed amongst the downtrodden is seen as truly marred."

Your problem is that you don't understand the definition of greed.
It's your problem to figure out what the limit is, if you don't save scum, you try again next time, but at the cost he is there as an extra annoyance in battles.

You could've at least guessed it's 4 or 5, considering how many he is wielding at a time. No idea why he needs 'em though. Could be that, he lost one in a fight, not a visual representation, so you have to give him back.

I understand this hint just fine. It does not implicitly or poetically indicate that "greed" means more than four. Other games will have indications in the riddle to allude to the required items. Things like referring to (a total) four of something that people can infer from. It doesn't need to mention it explicitly.

In this case, it looks like a matter of trial and error. Run multiple NG cycles until you figure out 4 was the magic number.

I hate it when people prop up these hyper cryptic bits of information as some kind of brain teaser from people with godlike intellect.

Fact is, there doesn't seem to be Any way to infer what the number is. Failing to comply means you're locked out and need to start a whole new NG cycle. Worst case, that's 8 NG cycles.

Edit: I just realized it's you advocating to manipulate saves to get the desired result.
So to TLDR your experience, it's essentially:
- Claim people don't get the hint
- Uses external tools to bypass trial and error by manipulating save
- Glorifies game design of this quest

[Linyos Torvoltos]

Originally posted by IchigoMait:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

IRL, it's called cheating.

I have done it before in older games, but then I realized that it just ruined the experience, and I started avoiding doing it at all.

It ain't cheating, it's called loading a save file.

There's a difference between just loading the came to continue from where you left off and loading an earlier save to bypass the consequences of something in game.

Originally posted by IchigoMait:

In real life it's called being smart, you're just giving yourself superficial limits.

Those superficial limits are whats called following the rules of the game. You're not intended to save scum. It's not intended for you to save scum like that. The quest is just designed poorly by not alluding to how much is considered greedy. Just saying "Don't take too much" isn't enough info and requiring the player to travel all the way back to the NPC to check after each boss fight doesn't really respect the players time and kills pacing to an extent.

[COWABUNGATIME]

Originally posted by Linyos Torvoltos:

...requiring the player to travel all the way back to the NPC to check after each boss fight doesn't really respect the players time and kills pacing to an extent.

It's a common theme in this game. I just assume everything was all intentional hostility towards the player at this point. When you save Kukajin, you have to go all the way back to a vestige (if you didn't use a seedpod right outside the area or realize there was a shortcut you could open up right near), rest, and then go all the way back to where you saved her again for the item. Apparently you can end up killing her if you try and roll to it.

When you free the tortured prisoner, you have to go all the way back up to the entrance of the area you fought Pieta to use her as a merchant. Then she just up and moves to the Spurned Progeny arena, and then after that she absconds to the Upper Calrath beacon and is hiding behind a fence.

Still have no freaking clue where the woman with the hand necklace ended up after the Sin Piercer boss fight...

[saltererik]

I just discarded all the bucket bs I picked up and stopped the quest no more bucket ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ trying to kill me in every fight I go to

[Fredrik.thylin]

Yes, discarding the items helped me as well. No more bucket guy

[xscori]

I absolutely hate the questing system in this game and genre in general.