Do NOT disable PVP or Invasions

[Markytous]

Don't allow people who are Souls-like tourists to ruin the vision of the game.

[BillDrat]

You can also make money and buy back your stuff by going into umbrell and farming weak enemies from the start of the game. I can quickly make around 6 thousand in a few minutes. You just wait for the souls multiplier to hit double and then start killing all the easy enemies, and when the red guy shows up just dodge him. Its fun too. Thats part of the game.

Maybe you guys should go play Lies of P. Or go play Elden coop mod.
Its probably more your style. Or super mario. Or Yoshi's Island.
Or play a Pinball game, there's no invasions in that.

YOU CAN DO IT!

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Kalameet:

Originally posted by Locke:

Well ok i get that, but that's quite...Normal? If i don't like some aspects of a game i don't waste my time with it.
As for the "pvp vocal minority" its futile discussing that without some data, numbers etc. Our impressions doesn't matter much.

No, it's not normal to tell people to stop playing a game, where the offending feature is OPTIONAL, and the community grew to enforce such Optional stuff as core element, and builds a vision around it.

This is how you gradually kick out all the unwanted players, because you're telling them "either play as WE do, or ♥♥♥♥ off".

TL;DR: "There are no players who dislike PvP in Ba Sing Se"

Invasions are only optional the moment you play offline, otherwise are not. Coop\pvp are core mechanics as you can see in every shrine you can help a friend, summon someone to help you, or invade someone. Its not really some side content\optional unless you choose to disconnect from the game. You can also use mirrors to avoid invasions.
Of course people grow tired of this continuois complaining (not yours, i speak in general) that the game must meet everyone taste, because it's not. Lies of P for example is an excellent game without pvp of any sort.

[Kalameet]

Originally posted by Locke:

Invasions are only optional the moment you play offline, otherwise are not. Coop\pvp are core mechanics

No, this is false.
"Core gameplay element" = unavoidable, by any means.
Going offline = disabling multiplayer in its entirety.

If MP/coop/PvP were Core gameplay elements", the game wouln't even allow offline play

Originally posted by Locke:

Its not really some side content\optional unless you choose to disconnect from the game. You can also use mirrors to avoid invasions.

i have no idea what's a mirror use in this game. It must be similar to DS2 Human effigies, which could be used to temporarily pause the game from throwing invasions at you.
Once gain, a mechanism to make you "pay a price" to avoid unwanted game modes.

Borderline bad game design

Originally posted by Locke:

Of course people grow tired of this continuois complaining [...] that the game must meet everyone taste, because it's not. Lies of P for example is an excellent game without pvp of any sort.

it's not about making every game cater to everyone. Just make a controversial mode like PvP being avoidable by default. It won't hurt anyone's Ego.

There are ton's of way to balance out a co-op game mode, without bringing in "human factor" which is borderline undesiderable in many cases.

[Gearotic]

No one wants to disable invasions or pvp.

But we do want to make it optional, so the game gets better for everyone.

Solo and coop players can play the game without risk of being griefed and harassed.

And invaders can invade people like them who have opted in, people who are specced and prepared.

The opt-in option does not change the player base for invasions in any way, because you either get kicked by solo/coop players, or you get connected to someone like yourself. The opt-in option allows you to enjoy quicker matches by only matching you with people who enjoy invasions. The opt-in option does increase the player base for solo/coop play, because there is no risk of being griefed and harassed.

This is literally a win/win/win option, there are no downsides. It is the best for everyone.

[Turd Cutter]

Yes and make more of them. There need to be more people like in ds3. And connect faster. Great mechanic of the game

[Rubyeyed]

So many serious answers to an actual s**tpost.

Sorry to burst your bubble guys but PvP never gets any justice in souls games and even if a dev team puts some effort into it it's a waste of time because it ends up dead in the gutter anyways.

In short, this won't be your PvP heaven, no soulslike ever will.

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Kalameet:

No, this is false.
"Core gameplay element" = unavoidable, by any means.
Going offline = disabling multiplayer in its entirety.

Put it how you want, its still a core mechanic of the game.

Originally posted by Kalameet:

i have no idea what's a mirror use in this game. It must be similar to DS2 Human effigies, which could be used to temporarily pause the game from throwing invasions at you.
Once gain, a mechanism to make you "pay a price" to avoid unwanted game modes.

that's how the game work. Before buying a product it is always a good idea to check if it meet your tastes.

Originally posted by Kalameet:

it's not about making every game cater to everyone. Just make a controversial mode like PvP being avoidable by default. It won't hurt anyone's Ego.

Just play another game and save your money.

[CadaveR]

It was already very clearly stated by devs in several occasions that they are not going to make pvp\invasions optional in any way. End of story.

[Kalameet]

Originally posted by GRIEFFINDOR💚NO🤍INVADE💔:

No, you should play the game as it's been thought and developed so far, and that includes invasions and the tools to deactivate them legitimately.

Lmao, the game's thought and development vision is so clear about Online, it takes only a "set offline mode" choice to invalidate your entire point (with the game still allowing offline people to play!)

I still have to see a soulslike, with MP/PvP, that disallows offline play. This is the only case i'll respect the "PvP is now a core game loop" aspect of the game.

Half measures like these will only continue to cause community infights and lots of jester awards on both sides.

Originally posted by GRIEFFINDOR💚NO🤍INVADE💔:

As for now, invasion is not only allowed, but rewarded by devs and will be improved with dedicated balancing in the upcoming patches, as stated by the devs themselves.

*Yawn* this won't make people uninterested in PvP wanting to give PvP a shot.
Or learn the ropes of PvP mode in games that rewards only sweatlords and griefers.

Even Fromsoftware itself added a way progress Varre's PvP quest offline in Elden Ring.
Or MP being a standalone thing in AC6.

[Saki]

logic seen its clearly simple and fun
1:at start like me some people not like pvp. we play the game for pve or multiplayer
2: people say play offline. but disable pvp is kinda same just that it not lock us out of some things. we still can help other with pve . speak it make zero sense to offer go offline but not can accept a turn off button for this extra. in the end this kind of people would never accept or want pvp ever.

[Kalameet]

Originally posted by Locke:

It was already very clearly stated by devs in several occasions that they are not going to make pvp\invasions optional in any way. End of story.

Originally posted by Kalameet:

Lmao, the game's thought and development vision is so clear about Online, it takes only a "set offline mode" choice to invalidate your entire point (with the game still allowing offline people to play!)

I still have to see a soulslike, with MP/PvP, that disallows offline play. This is the only case i'll respect the "PvP is now a core game loop" aspect of the game.

BAM, point invalidated! NEXT.

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Kalameet:

Even Fromsoftware itself added a way progress Varre's PvP quest offline in Elden Ring.
Or MP being a standalone thing in AC6.

And...?

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Kalameet:

Originally posted by Locke:

It was already very clearly stated by devs in several occasions that they are not going to make pvp\invasions optional in any way. End of story.

Originally posted by Kalameet:

Lmao, the game's thought and development vision is so clear about Online, it takes only a "set offline mode" choice to invalidate your entire point (with the game still allowing offline people to play!)

I still have to see a soulslike, with MP/PvP, that disallows offline play. This is the only case i'll respect the "PvP is now a core game loop" aspect of the game.

BAM, point invalidated! NEXT.

Oh, i thought we were discussing about a toggable pvp option in a online session.
Then problem solved, you can play the game without invasion right away.

[Mikoto]

Originally posted by Fried Noodles:

Originally posted by Rubyeyed:

BRO, isn't this the actual dream coming true? If all the scrubs turn off MP the PvP master race will be only fighting with each other and hone their twinking skills to perfection.

win-win in my book

Duels arenas exist in all Dark Souls, and in Elden Ring.
They're usually dead.

Invaders would rather attack unprepared players with unrefined builds while they're engaged with PvE.

Duh. ;)

Nothing you said is even true. Arenas only appeared in DS2 and DS3, no other souls game has them. Elden Ring eventually got them, but it was not a launch feature either.

You literally know nothing about the genre. Invasions are a core mechanic of this genre type. Go play another game.

[VonRaven 666]