YES. THEY ARE LISTENING. FAITH RESTORED.

[The Ultimate Despair]

They are officially separating PVP and PVE balancing. NOW we are talking. Both sides of the fence can be happy.

[The Ultimate Despair]

Originally posted by Xero:

Originally posted by The Ultimate Despair:

No. My title was, They are listening. The subject of them listening to people being in the post. And that subject is, separation of pvp and pve.
If you are too distracted to follow, then it ain't on me. Discussion closed.

The fun thing is there's no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason for them to need to do this ♥♥♥♥. Why should they be listening when Elden Ring already did it? The devs aren't working it a vacuum after all, they're not the only ones with a game of this type. But as it is, this game is a strong competitor for Dark Souls 2, shame that came out almost a full decade ago. As such, anything that souls likes have improved upon since, are pretty much absent from this game, like a dedicated jump button for how often they have you jumping around.

Edit: Actually, Dark Souls 2 still has the superior dual wielding mechanics.

I am certainly not arguing that some of the choices they made aren't very questionable. I am not interested in 'defending blindly' any devs. I am still extremely annoyed by no item box for example.

And yeah. For all its faults, ds2's powerstancing was super fun!

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by The Ultimate Despair:

Originally posted by kingyy2010:

You title said "they are listening" as a conclusion and your post said they are separating pvp and pve as a support to your title.

D.Flame simply said this is too late and too little to prove "they are listening", your post does not support your conclusion in the title.

What D.Flame said makes total sense to me, while your title is a misleading conclusion supported by a "too title" and "too late" effort from them separating pve and pvp.

It is definitely your problem to mislead ppl, mate.

No. My title was, They are listening. The subject of them listening to people being in the post. And that subject is, separation of pvp and pve.
If you are too distracted to follow, then it ain't on me. Discussion closed.

No, if they were listening, even on that point, they wouldn't be making tone deaf comments about how everything is okay because the chunks are 50% off in the online shop.

It's like saying, "Hey, we stole your car and understand how this may have frustrated you, so we are offering to sell it back to you at 50% off what you paid for it originally."

I shouldn't have to explain why that is problematic.

It would be a different story if they said, "Hey, we screwed up, we're rolling things back, and we will take a second look at this changes while separating PvP from PvE." That would have showed at least some awareness and restored a little faith (not fully, but a little). However, that's not what happened.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Xero:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

They aren't listening to ♥♥♥♥. They are hearing it, but they aren't listening in the slightest:



They think that making you have to do 10 successful boss clears in co-op somehow makes up for them stealing chunks from people and totally screwing over people on the umbral ending path. That wouldn't be an equivalent exchange EVEN IF their co-op didn't suck (took me 3 hours to get 1 summon yesterday).

This is nothing but out of touch damage control. Saying they are going to split the balance patches now is too little too late.

Oh ♥♥♥♥, did you miss when they admitted they don't know their own ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ game? They had originally said you could just farm chunks off of Bulwarks.

I did miss that actually.

[brownie689]

Originally posted by The Ultimate Despair:

They are officially separating PVP and PVE balancing. NOW we are talking. Both sides of the fence can be happy.

only if they reverse every nerf they did to the game first.

[Knavery]

Originally posted by BEOWULF:

Originally posted by Zefar:

Now we just need to separate the PvP and PvE with an option and you won't hear from us again on the issue.

GIT GUD
So many crying noobs here, Jesus.

This has nothing to do with getting good. Maybe if you weren't illiterate, you'd "git" what this discussion is actually about.

[jkendrick55124]

No they are NOT! In fact they doubled down and said FU go farm more chunks instead of reimbursing anyone. I honestly thought they would hot fix this but instead they doubled down on it. Amazingly disrespectful to their PVE customers.

[Knavery]

Originally posted by jkendrick55124:

No they are NOT! In fact they doubled down and said FU go farm more chunks instead of reimbursing anyone. I honestly thought they would hot fix this but instead they doubled down on it. Amazingly disrespectful to their PVE customers.

Well screw 'em. I won't be dishing out any more money to them. My time is valuable. I make good money while I'm working and got little free time. I value it, so when they pull stuff like they did in their last update and say go play PVP to buy chunks, go F yourself.

[Bricky strong]

WE NEED PURE PAWNAGE!!!!! NOOB DESTROYER!!!! GIT GUD!!!!

[jkendrick55124]

Originally posted by Knavery:

Originally posted by jkendrick55124:

No they are NOT! In fact they doubled down and said FU go farm more chunks instead of reimbursing anyone. I honestly thought they would hot fix this but instead they doubled down on it. Amazingly disrespectful to their PVE customers.

Well screw 'em. I won't be dishing out any more money to them. My time is valuable. I make good money while I'm working and got little free time. I value it, so when they pull stuff like they did in their last update and say go play PVP to buy chunks, go F yourself.

There were alot of us that stuck behind them when all the bugs and performance issues were happening in the beginning. The amount of daily fixes helped improve these issues so I was patiently waiting to give a review and when I did it was very positive.

This patch though put a serious bad taste in my mouth. Don't get me wrong, I think the change in itself with the boss weapons was merited especially when it came to Pietas but the approach... yeah not good.

[kingyy2010]

Originally posted by The Ultimate Despair:

Originally posted by AlmaDarkSpell:

Thank you.

I wouldn't say they're listening. They have not addressed any of the fundamental problems that were already present in the game before the patch and that are still there. They have not provided a solution to restore lost materials to those affected players. They have not said that they are going to restore the game to its previous state before the last patch. I assume they will continue with their stubborn vision and they will make the game even worse. It seems more like they will make some changes here and there to try to soften opinions (and reviews), but in general they are not going to fix what they did wrong and the players will continue to be upset. Looks like, they don't know what they are doing, to be honest.

So far, that is my interpretation.

They are listening, again, to the specific point listed in my post.
There is a LOT to be done for the game to be where it should be at and no matter how you look at it, this change is not going to go well with.. well.. Anyone really.
People who PVP got affected, people who PVE, got affected. This i ain't disputing at all.

As I said and other pointed out, your supporting proof for "they are listing, faith restored." does not stand, this is fairly simply.

They are not smart enough to make right patch, yet they are not lazy enough to not to make any patch, so they kept on making stupid patches. Ppl has to know their qualification of doing things, see how the neg review overwhelmed for these two days? Now the game is totally ruined to a point.

[CadaveR]

Originally posted by Turd Cutter:

Originally posted by The Ultimate Despair:

They are officially separating PVP and PVE balancing. NOW we are talking. Both sides of the fence can be happy.

Where did you read this. Can you link please?

It's in the latest news update.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by jkendrick55124:

I think the change in itself with the boss weapons was merited especially when it came to Pietas but the approach... yeah not good.

I swear, amount of people who tell how op pietas is, its not, orian preacher hammer is actually a higher damage weapon. You seen it often because its the first radiant boss weapon, easiest to acquire, was easier to upgrade than afforementioned hammer, had pretty long range for a short sword and required only radiant unlike judge clerics, mancatcher and bloody glory all of which are also available pretty late during the run.

[Xero]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

I did miss that actually.

https://ibb.co/xgsXRCz

Here you go, have a larf.

[Justinyl]

So many issues with the game yet the devs only address the boohoo the they made.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

They suck balls.