Upgrade materials and upgrade prices

[Warbreaker]

Please make upgrade materials drop more, I swapped to a 2nd weapon, I have my original weapon at +9 and the 2nd one at +7 when I already found 2 materials for +10

Also, the prices to upgrade are ridiculous IMHO.

Even for a build I have committed I can't test new weapons because they are nearly impossible to upgrade, and I'm Lv92 already, how come I can only upgrade one weapon to max at this point?

I'm using a pure STR build and I would like to max out 3 STR weapons, I'm not asking too much, it is currently extremely difficult to change your mind about weapons.

[Glumreaper]

this seems like a resource management problem on your end, lamp-bearer.

[Warbreaker]

Originally posted by Oni God:

this seems like a resource management problem on your end, lamp-bearer.

I have only one weapon at +9 and another at +7, I have done everything there is to do progression wise, the game has a bit of a problem when it comes to drop, by the end of the game you can barely upgrade one or two weapons fully, killing the fun of diversifying with weapons, I just can't commit to anything because materials beyond +5 are too rare, this is not a resource management issue.

I'm not swapping all the time, I even started a 2nd NG because of mistakes on my previous NG, I was like, I want a different weapon, so I went fully committed with a plan in mind for my 2nd NG, get long sword to +whatever then swap to grand sword when you go through the Fief area, now I'm in Hanse Brothers area with that weapon at +7, I haven't upgraded anything else, and my character is Lv92, so is not a resource management problem.

[Baron01]

Delurium shards are not really a problem late game but Delurium chunks are! There are only 4 available per playthough, which means you can upgrade 4 pieces of gear to max. This is massive issue for shields where you only get 3rd rune slot at max upgrade. Weapons get 3rd slot at +9, which means you can have many near maxed weapons. I do not upgrade catalyst to +10 either just because there is so few Delirium chunks in the game.

However, early to mid-game is a bit stingy with shards so it is hard to commit to a weapon or you just find first one that suits you in terms of move set and stick with it. Higher price or time consuming nature of farming for upgrade materials is definitely limiting experimentation.

[MasterZalm]

Originally posted by Ein Vöglein im Wind:

I think the prices would be fine for upgrading if enemies would drop a little bit more vigor later in the game.
Or if we would get more of those vigor skulls. Those are also a bit rare for no reason.

Vigor doesnt help getting large shards. Large shards themselves need to be a drop from enemies that occur more often, since they require more than small or regular.

Originally posted by Æsir:

you can buy large shards at some point in the game from the smith though. There are also ways to farm it.

Originally posted by ir3b3ld3i:

The blacksmith sells you the stones from +6 to +9 infinitely when you really need them, before the final stretch of the game, if you want them before you have to farm and the drop is really very low

The smith doesnt sell them naturally, only if you are a heartless, soulless monster.

Originally posted by Warbreaker:

Originally posted by ir3b3ld3i:

The blacksmith sells you the stones from +6 to +9 infinitely when you really need them, before the final stretch of the game, if you want them before you have to farm and the drop is really very low

Umbral ending be damned, I have to kill her before a certain point, and I want her hammer, I want to max out her hammer, which would be the 3rd weapon on my repository: long sword, grand sword, hammer and shield.

If I have to kill the blacksmith, then I have to farm, this is a design flaw, damn +6 to +9 materials and upgrade prices, I don't want to farm, is boring, I don't need boring, I don't need to waste my time in such unfun repetitive tasks, make this more natural is all I'm asking.

Farming is literally a core part of Souls games. Half of the standard play is just progression, sacrificing build progression and potency for story and area progression, the other half is build completeness and gear/stat progression in exchange for time and monotony. If you wanna progress a perfectly linear game, Sekiro is more your suit. No grinding, no leveling, no boring customization. Everything you need is given to you after key moments.

Also, respeccing is always hard/limited in Souls games its part of the unforgiving, tough theme the games have. Diablo 4 lets you respec pretty easily, but Diablo 4 isnt a hard game.

Originally posted by Baron01:

Delurium shards are not really a problem late game but Delurium chunks are! There are only 4 available per playthough, which means you can upgrade 4 pieces of gear to max. This is massive issue for shields where you only get 3rd rune slot at max upgrade. Weapons get 3rd slot at +9, which means you can have many near maxed weapons. I do not upgrade catalyst to +10 either just because there is so few Delirium chunks in the game.

However, early to mid-game is a bit stingy with shards so it is hard to commit to a weapon or you just find first one that suits you in terms of move set and stick with it. Higher price or time consuming nature of farming for upgrade materials is definitely limiting experimentation.

4 weapons is pretty much perfect for a full build though. Technically, you only need 3 for the whole game. Main hand, off hand, and ranged item. Dual swords and a bow? 3 chunks. Great Axe and a shield, crossbow? 3 chunks. Two handing a Great Sword, shield on back, catalyst? you guessed it, 3 chunks. 4 chunks is, honestly, a gift, and the fact that you can technically get infinite from the by doing online stuff means you never run out.

Again, the issue is large shards.

[Warbreaker]

Originally posted by MasterZalm:

4 weapons is pretty much perfect for a full build though. Technically, you only need 3 for the whole game. Main hand, off hand, and ranged item. Dual swords and a bow? 3 chunks. Great Axe and a shield, crossbow? 3 chunks. Two handing a Great Sword, shield on back, catalyst? you guessed it, 3 chunks. 4 chunks is, honestly, a gift, and the fact that you can technically get infinite from the by doing online stuff means you never run out.

Again, the issue is large shards.

We are almost in full agreement, but not every weapon combo is sufficient within a build I have committed, here is what I want:
- one shield + gerlinde hammer maxed out
- grand sword maxed out
- long sword maxed out

Now if I want another combo I have to conform to +9, I could want double hammers for my STR build, perfectly doable, then I'd have to give up on my shield or something.

I agree large shards are a problem, but when you want more weapons maxed out, upgrade prices are also a problem, I'd say even an exponential mathematical problem, and then the only 4 chunks per run.

I want to PvP as well, I want to consider my weapons collection for my build completed at the end of my NG.

[MasterZalm]

Originally posted by Warbreaker:

Originally posted by MasterZalm:

4 weapons is pretty much perfect for a full build though. Technically, you only need 3 for the whole game. Main hand, off hand, and ranged item. Dual swords and a bow? 3 chunks. Great Axe and a shield, crossbow? 3 chunks. Two handing a Great Sword, shield on back, catalyst? you guessed it, 3 chunks. 4 chunks is, honestly, a gift, and the fact that you can technically get infinite from the by doing online stuff means you never run out.

Again, the issue is large shards.

We are almost in full agreement, but not every weapon combo is sufficient within a build I have committed, here is what I want:
- one shield + gerlinde hammer maxed out
- grand sword maxed out
- long sword maxed out

Now if I want another combo I have to conform to +9, I could want double hammers for my STR build, perfectly doable, then I'd have to give up on my shield or something.

I agree large shards are a problem, but when you want more weapons maxed out, upgrade prices are also a problem, I'd say even an exponential mathematical problem, and then the only 4 chunks per run.

I want to PvP as well, I want to consider my weapons collection for my build completed at the end of my NG.

True, to some degree, but considering, unlike souls games, there is no weapon swapping. In souls, you could equip 3 items in each hand, this game only has one. So there is far less of a need for more max weapons/shields/ranged. And if you use throwing items, like axes and hammers, you have another chunk to use. Two weapon sets is batter than 1, and honestly, those throwing weapons are pretty beefy in damage/stagger terms.

And at least, unlike most Souls games, we technically have the ability to farm a near infinite number of max upgrade items, mind you, it is through PvE coop stuff.

[Warbreaker]

Originally posted by MasterZalm:

True, to some degree, but considering, unlike souls games, there is no weapon swapping. In souls, you could equip 3 items in each hand, this game only has one. So there is far less of a need for more max weapons/shields/ranged. And if you use throwing items, like axes and hammers, you have another chunk to use. Two weapon sets is batter than 1, and honestly, those throwing weapons are pretty beefy in damage/stagger terms.

And at least, unlike most Souls games, we technically have the ability to farm a near infinite number of max upgrade items, mind you, it is through PvE coop stuff.

Reminds me of good old times in Demon Souls remake, on their Discord, duping was a blessing, there was even a technique for it, drop, exit to main menu and your items stayed on your inventory, I helped so many people with that, and was helped as well, nice community.

[.MeeN.MASTERP]

im level 100 and i have 17 weapons at +9.... you can buy all 3 tiers of Deleriums from Gerlinde. they are super cheap.. Its insanely easy to experiment with weapons. you dont need a weapon at +10 to use it.... +9 is more than enough to experiment

[GreyFox]

Yea this game is garbage. Easily the worst souls like. Kinda feel bad when their next game drops and they don't even come close to the 1 mil this one sold they are going to be left wondering what happened. Even though everyone has told them.

As is I was the only one dumb enough out of our group to buy this garbo game. I even was smart enough to get Lies of P first and finished that so there was 0 reason to do this lol. Oh well am looking forward to their next game unlike next LOTF which is more than an easy pass, won't even bother watching the trailer.