PVP is truly a joke now

[[TrC] Diabolus]

There are about 3 meta builds. Blessed Reflection/Orius' Judgement while dual-wielding Pieta's Swords, the people who uses the jump attack that sends out fire explosion waves that can stunlock, and then just people who think they're the hottest ♥♥♥♥ cus they 2v1'd you with 1000 ping so you couldn't even stand still without the game saying it was a missed input on your part.

Coming in 4th is probably that crossbow that fires 3 profjectiles at once, so both the host and their best friend use to simultaneously to turn the fight into a bullet hell.

[zmanbuilder]

there is a item called the odd stone that gives you a rather large holy defense buff when used and it recharges every time you rest, keep it on your item bar, and use it if you see the glow stick.

[[TrC] Diabolus]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

there is a item called the odd stone that gives you a rather large holy defense buff when used and it recharges every time you rest, keep it on your item bar, and use it if you see the glow stick.

If this was Dark Souls 1, and you were talking about the Silver Pendant, I'd agree with you, very useful. But resistances mean nothing in this game unless some douche is using one of those modded saves with 100K in every stat, so you do 8 damage to them. Saving 40 damage on 1300 damage is worthless.

[Viper]

PVP is always a joke..Thats why I never participate in any game. Those people are in every one of them. Anybody who invades my game will get booted in seconds.

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by TrC Diabolus:

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

there is a item called the odd stone that gives you a rather large holy defense buff when used and it recharges every time you rest, keep it on your item bar, and use it if you see the glow stick.

If this was Dark Souls 1, and you were talking about the Silver Pendant, I'd agree with you, very useful. But resistances mean nothing in this game unless some douche is using one of those modded saves with 100K in every stat, so you do 8 damage to them. Saving 40 damage on 1300 damage is worthless.

Looking at stats it boosted my holy resist by over 200 points, and it has infinite uses.

[[TrC] Diabolus]

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Originally posted by TrC Diabolus:

If this was Dark Souls 1, and you were talking about the Silver Pendant, I'd agree with you, very useful. But resistances mean nothing in this game unless some douche is using one of those modded saves with 100K in every stat, so you do 8 damage to them. Saving 40 damage on 1300 damage is worthless.

Looking at stats it boosted my holy resist by over 200 points, and it has infinite uses.

I understand where you're coming from, truly, I do. But. I want you to test being hit by the Blessed Reflection ranged attack with no buffs and then only with the odd stone buff. With a normal build, maybe level 120, which most people will be by NG+. I wish I could invite you to PVP as a fair duel so we could test the limits of resistences.

[Omac]

But thank god we're all forced into it should we decide to coop or interact with online in any way!

I really hope we:
A: Get a toggle to disable it sooner rather than later
B: They work to update their in game systems to use some form of level / "soul memory" instead of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of 'downleveling' that it is now. It's clearly not working and forcing it on everyone is a pain

[zmanbuilder]

Originally posted by TrC Diabolus:

Originally posted by zmanbuilder:

Looking at stats it boosted my holy resist by over 200 points, and it has infinite uses.

I understand where you're coming from, truly, I do. But. I want you to test being hit by the Blessed Reflection ranged attack with no buffs and then only with the odd stone buff. With a normal build, maybe level 120, which most people will be by NG+. I wish I could invite you to PVP as a fair duel so we could test the limits of resistences.

Wish i could invade, as i have very bad lag when invading, seems to run fine when i'm invaded though, very fair fights i have had, learning to kick for a fast stagger works very well.

Good times, wish there was a pvp arena....

[[TrC] Diabolus]

Originally posted by Omac:

But thank god we're all forced into it should we decide to coop or interact with online in any way!

I really hope we:
A: Get a toggle to disable it sooner rather than later
B: They work to update their in game systems to use some form of level / "soul memory" instead of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of 'downleveling' that it is now. It's clearly not working and forcing it on everyone is a pain

Every souls game ever has forced everyone to participate in PVP if they want to participate in co-op PVE, and no matter how many years cowards scream about wanting to easy mode a Souls game in co-op PVE, will souls devs let you do that. That's not the issue here. If you wanna enjoy the game, learn to play, win easily? Play solo. You literally don't need your friend. That has nothing to do with PVP balance, which is a seperate issue, and in this game it is an issue. But for a decade now, people can do every single Souls-type game at Level 1 with nothing but starter gear. Grow up.

[Omac]

Originally posted by TrC Diabolus:

Every souls game ever has forced everyone to participate in PVP if they want to participate in co-op PVE, and no matter how many years cowards scream about wanting to easy mode a Souls game in co-op PVE, will souls devs let you do that. That's not the issue here. If you wanna enjoy the game, learn to play, win easily? Play solo. You literally don't need your friend. That has nothing to do with PVP balance, which is a seperate issue, and in this game it is an issue. But for a decade now, people can do every single Souls-type game at Level 1 with nothing but starter gear. Grow up.

I've played the game solo, and only joined someone to get the achievements lmao. Game is challenging in a good way, and I wouldn't change anything about it (except maybe the NG+ changes that are coming). I don't care about an easy mode, I want an obviously not broken online component. Since that's clearly not a simple task (From even has issues with that as long as they've been in the business) letting people opt out of a hacker ridden online really is an easy solution.

[[TrC] Diabolus]

Originally posted by Omac:

Originally posted by TrC Diabolus:

Every souls game ever has forced everyone to participate in PVP if they want to participate in co-op PVE, and no matter how many years cowards scream about wanting to easy mode a Souls game in co-op PVE, will souls devs let you do that. That's not the issue here. If you wanna enjoy the game, learn to play, win easily? Play solo. You literally don't need your friend. That has nothing to do with PVP balance, which is a seperate issue, and in this game it is an issue. But for a decade now, people can do every single Souls-type game at Level 1 with nothing but starter gear. Grow up.

I've played the game solo, and only joined someone to get the achievements lmao. Game is challenging in a good way, and I wouldn't change anything about it (except maybe the NG+ changes that are coming). I don't care about an easy mode, I want an obviously not broken online component. Since that's clearly not a simple task (From even has issues with that as long as they've been in the business) letting people opt out of a hacker ridden online really is an easy solution.

Okay, so what the Hell are we arguing about? We both want a 'not broken online PVP experience', But I'm not going to ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ just go "Well if I want to co-op, PVP should be disabled." That will fundamentally destroy Soulsborne games. With this game, where there is no level or upgrade bracket for online, a level 20 person could summon their level 1000 friend and roll the whole game, thus defeating the point of the whole game's experience. If you want a game with AI level scaling for PVP, and totallty free Ping, you should eventually get invaded. I would prefer the ping was good, and weapon and spell balance didn't mean there were one-shots and teleporting behind people. But like, damn. As ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ incredible Elden Ring is, how long did it take for Rivers of Blood to stop being the End All Be All of PVP builds?

[Viper]

Originally posted by TrC Diabolus:

Originally posted by Omac:

But thank god we're all forced into it should we decide to coop or interact with online in any way!

I really hope we:
A: Get a toggle to disable it sooner rather than later
B: They work to update their in game systems to use some form of level / "soul memory" instead of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of 'downleveling' that it is now. It's clearly not working and forcing it on everyone is a pain

Every souls game ever has forced everyone to participate in PVP if they want to participate in co-op PVE, and no matter how many years cowards scream about wanting to easy mode a Souls game in co-op PVE, will souls devs let you do that. That's not the issue here. If you wanna enjoy the game, learn to play, win easily? Play solo. You literally don't need your friend. That has nothing to do with PVP balance, which is a seperate issue, and in this game it is an issue. But for a decade now, people can do every single Souls-type game at Level 1 with nothing but starter gear. Grow up.

Enjoy getting booted and all your loading screens. Nobody is getting forced to do anything. We grief the griefers.

[[TrC] Diabolus]

Originally posted by Viper:

Originally posted by TrC Diabolus:

Every souls game ever has forced everyone to participate in PVP if they want to participate in co-op PVE, and no matter how many years cowards scream about wanting to easy mode a Souls game in co-op PVE, will souls devs let you do that. That's not the issue here. If you wanna enjoy the game, learn to play, win easily? Play solo. You literally don't need your friend. That has nothing to do with PVP balance, which is a seperate issue, and in this game it is an issue. But for a decade now, people can do every single Souls-type game at Level 1 with nothing but starter gear. Grow up.

Enjoy getting booted and all your loading screens. Nobody is getting forced to do anything. We grief the griefers.

Whew. You got me bro. We argued about balance, but oof, you won cus you enjoy the ping. I guess I'll come in with the Blessed Reflections which your host doesn't know how to dodge both casts.

[楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE]

I would advise people who do not want to be cheese to turn off multiplayer if you do not want to be invaded. But if you have yet to experience pvp and want to see what they are doing, or that you know what they are doing and want to try if you can counter it. Let them come. Enjoy the experience and you will have the same conclusion as the guy that started this thread. I bought this game for coop and pvp. I still let people invade me, because I want to see what other stupidly OP builds the pvp players can come up with, and if I can counter it with my PVE build.

[[TrC] Diabolus]

Originally posted by 楊玄。杨玄。LangrisserWWE:

I would advise people who do not want to be cheese to turn off multiplayer if you do not want to be invaded. But if you have yet to experience pvp and want to see what they are doing, or that you know what they are doing and want to try if you can counter it. Let them come. Enjoy the experience and you will have the same conclusion as the guy that started this thread. I bought this game for coop and pvp. I still let people invade me, because I want to see what other stupidly OP builds the pvp players can come up with, and if I can counter it with my PVE build.

I agree whole-heartedly. I want truly balanced, fair PVP. I want to see decent damage from spells, but not one-shots. I want to see ping that means you can dodge the hosts attacks without being invisibly stunlocked. Resistences and pings need properly balancing. Status and one-shot spells that are totally instant-wins suck.