Kukajin questline (spoilers)

[Fuji]

This questline is very poorly designed. Why do I need to summon her for every single boss encounter she is available for to complete it? Also you cannot summon until after you've died at least once or teleported out. Without a guide there is no way of knowing which bosses she is available for help on, and many of them you can end up killing first try and not needing her help.
I missed her on the hollow crow and judge cleric because I killed both first try.
Devs I BEG you to change the requirements to like, 2-3 bosses instead for her.
ALSO. Because one of her bosses required is the lightreaper, you cannot finish Paladin Isaac's questline in the same playthrough either because you need to summon him for completion of that.
Absolutely awful design choice.

[Fuji]

Forgot to mention as well
If you kill lightreaper early, you're ♥♥♥♥ out of luck for her questline, and Isaac's!
Shame on you for being good at the game!

[FreshRevenge]

I still never understood why she and some other's want to kill you. If I ever do another playthrough, I am leaving her petrified.

[Backside Job]

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

I still never understood why she and some other's want to kill you. If I ever do another playthrough, I am leaving her petrified.

Did that but by mistake , i actually forgot she existed and only remembered about her after i saw someone else play on youtube after i beat the game lol

[τsu]

LotF took the worst parts of Fromsoftware games questlines it seems, everything OP said is terrible.
Tying a questline to the summoning mechanic is really bad in a game where the fun in boss fights is also that they can be fought anyway players like it (From stopped doing that in their later games), even worse if there are more NPC's with quests related to the summoning in the same boss. Also, we have to die once so we can summon those NPC's, as OP said, shame on you for being good at the game, very stupid.
I think the better way to solve this would be Kukajin quest being completed with 2-3 bosses; the summoning being available from the get go; and no more than 1 NPC's quest tied to a single boss fight.
To add on, it would be nice if we didnt have to keep the NPC alive until the end of the fight (actually idk if it's needed for the questlines in this game, but it's better if we can just summon and fight along to fulfill the quest requirements).

EDIT_______
No need to keep Kukajin alive, just confirmed, she died in the middle of the fight and I still had to pay her.

[ask4341]

I missed summoning her for the hushed saint fight, can I still get her sword even though the quest is failed now? and if I can, how?

[JustRez]

Originally posted by τsu:

LotF took the worst parts of Fromsoftware games questlines it seems, everything OP said is terrible.
Tying a questline to the summoning mechanic is really bad in a game where the fun in boss fights is also that they can be fought anyway players like it (From stopped doing that in their later games), even worse if there are more NPC's with quests related to the summoning in the same boss. Also, we have to die once so we can summon those NPC's, as OP said, shame on you for being good at the game, very stupid.
I think the better way to solve this would be Kukajin quest being completed with 2-3 bosses; the summoning being available from the get go; and no more than 1 NPC's quest tied to a single boss fight.
To add on, it would be nice if we didnt have to keep the NPC alive until the end of the fight (actually idk if it's needed for the questlines in this game, but it's better if we can just summon and fight along to fulfill the quest requirements).

EDIT_______
No need to keep Kukajin alive, just confirmed, she died in the middle of the fight and I still had to pay her.

NPC's dont have to stay alive to complete the quest.

[Crapuscule]

Originally posted by ask4341:

I missed summoning her for the hushed saint fight, can I still get her sword even though the quest is failed now? and if I can, how?

I believe you can get her sword by beating another necessary boss, don't pay her afterwards and go do another necessary boss. Afterwards go find her in skyrest and she'll attack you. Drops her sword.

[Kodiak412]

Originally posted by FreshRevenge:

I still never understood why she and some other's want to kill you. If I ever do another playthrough, I am leaving her petrified.

Just hit her while she is a rock and break it. You get her sword and never look back.