Game is stuttering when auto saving?

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[Blacksmith77K]

YES it does because of auto-save, but you cant do anything. it's not fixable at all!

if you play with 100fps, so to AVOID this spike, your system would have to write 5MB to the hard drive within a hundredth of a second. So a writing speed of 500MB/sec while your nVME is busy loading follow-up data as quickly as possible. So it's a bandwidth problem

In fakt: this spike depend on your system/nVME AND framerate.

50fps would double the time window to write the 5MB to the hard drive, ergo: less fps = less traversal and savegame stutter

[Arkonite]

It's not tied to SSD or any other hardware issue, I have the same problem on PS5 and exclusively since the last update (and always just before an auto save). It's really frustrating, I died so many times because of these stutters.

Because, not only are we losing some frames, but inputs executed during the stutter are not effective. I play a lot with the perfect parry and it's become unplayable.

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Has anyone reported this to [e-mail] already? Is not game breaking but really annoying given the frequency on this... or anyworkaround/mods/solutions?

And is not about the ssd, so far I've seen this happen on 6000mb/s gen4 ssd, on 5000mb/s gen 4 ssd, and on 500mb/s sata ssd.

[I_come_in_peace]

I've reported it, even made a demo video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_bGg98n6Gg

The save file increases with time and progress, guess that's why the stuttering gets more pronounced the longer you play. It's really starting to bother me. On my system the game is installed on a very fast gen4 NVMe and Windows (where the save location is) on a different fast gen4 NVMe.

I suggested to get off the 30 sec autosave, only do it when not moving/fighting or do incremental saves with very small file sizes; anyway, saving should be async if possible.

[Blacksmith77K]

Okay mate, your autosave stutter is massiv! For you it's really like a 10fps frameskip

[I_come_in_peace]

Originally posted by Blacksmith77K:

Okay mate, your autosave stutter is massiv! For you it's really like a 10fps frameskip

Yes, it's really bad now. Don't know if it started after they've added some kind of failcheck to prevent the apparently frequent save file corruption (hasn't happened to me) or if it's just a time/progress thing. I read it's also happening on PS5.

I don't understand these autosaves at all, unless they were a desperate last second measure to prevent progress loss because the game was so prone to crashing. But I'd guess the autosaves are also the reason for savegame corruption - when the game crashes while saving.

If the game was stable - and I didn't have a crash for a week - it would be sufficient to only save at Vestiges or when you exit to the main menu, no?

[I_come_in_peace]

I'm bumping this because I'm curious how many are affected?
I wish we could disable autosaving by command line option. It's superfluous if the game runs stable for you.

[eDo]

set a pagefile on your disk where the games are installed and set it to system managed

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/importance-of-pagefile-for-gaming-smoothness.447687/

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/394x518q90/924/lHwTmG.png

"recommend setting Windows manage the pagefile size. But to be clear, the pagefile size is not important. What is important, is having a pagefile on the same drive that the game is installed on, because as I have stated, Windows restricts memory usage when a pagefile is absent.

This is especially true for high RAM using games like Hogwarts Legacy which stream lots of data."

also steam startoption for lords of the fallen -NoTextureStreaming

if user is on nvidia use driver 357.58 every driver above till the latest one has issues in stuttering, texture flickering and lightning glitches

after everything is done you have 95% better smothness

[I_come_in_peace]

Originally posted by eDo:

set a pagefile on your disk where the games are installed and set it to system managed

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/importance-of-pagefile-for-gaming-smoothness.447687/

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/394x518q90/924/lHwTmG.png

"recommend setting Windows manage the pagefile size. But to be clear, the pagefile size is not important. What is important, is having a pagefile on the same drive that the game is installed on, because as I have stated, Windows restricts memory usage when a pagefile is absent.

This is especially true for high RAM using games like Hogwarts Legacy which stream lots of data."

also steam startoption for lords of the fallen -NoTextureStreaming

if user is on nvidia use driver 357.58 every driver above till the latest one has issues in stuttering, texture flickering and lightning glitches

Thanks for trying to help, but I do not have stutter issues with the game engine itself, only during the autosaves which happen every 30 seconds. You can read about it above, I've even recorded a video.

[eDo]

Originally posted by I_come_in_peace:

Originally posted by eDo:

set a pagefile on your disk where the games are installed and set it to system managed

https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/importance-of-pagefile-for-gaming-smoothness.447687/

https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/394x518q90/924/lHwTmG.png

"recommend setting Windows manage the pagefile size. But to be clear, the pagefile size is not important. What is important, is having a pagefile on the same drive that the game is installed on, because as I have stated, Windows restricts memory usage when a pagefile is absent.

This is especially true for high RAM using games like Hogwarts Legacy which stream lots of data."

also steam startoption for lords of the fallen -NoTextureStreaming

if user is on nvidia use driver 357.58 every driver above till the latest one has issues in stuttering, texture flickering and lightning glitches

Thanks for trying to help, but I do not have stutter issues with the game engine itself, only during the autosaves which happen every 30 seconds. You can read about it above, I've even recorded a video. It'll try the pagefile thing but I very much doubt it's connected as I have 64 GB RAM @ 6000 of which the game only uses a fraction.

use everything whats explained steam startoptions aswell -NotextureStreaming

you can have 128gb of RAM but when windows restrict the usage without a pagefile then your system is limited

[I_come_in_peace]

Originally posted by eDo:

Originally posted by I_come_in_peace:

Thanks for trying to help, but I do not have stutter issues with the game engine itself, only during the autosaves which happen every 30 seconds. You can read about it above, I've even recorded a video. It'll try the pagefile thing but I very much doubt it's connected as I have 64 GB RAM @ 6000 of which the game only uses a fraction.

use everything whats explained steam startoptions aswell -NotextureStreaming

you can have 128gb of RAM but when windows restrict the usage without a pagefile then your system is limited

Okay I'll try it tomorrow, but I very much doubt it will help because this is not a texture streaming issue but a synchronous process blocking the render pipeline. Look at the video, I'm running in circles, nothing new has to load or stream.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_bGg98n6Gg

Stutter and autosave symbol always at the same time.

[eDo]

Originally posted by I_come_in_peace:

Originally posted by eDo:

use everything whats explained steam startoptions aswell -NotextureStreaming

you can have 128gb of RAM but when windows restrict the usage without a pagefile then your system is limited

Okay I'l try it, but I very much doubt it will help because this is not a texture streaming issue but a synchronous process blocking the render pipeline. Look at the video, I'm running in circles, nothing new has to load or stream.

you can try it or let it be its in your hands

on my system https://valid.x86.fr/87majn everything on ultra and on 1440p

looks like this https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1970269774

here and tghere after 4 hours+ there is some hickups but nothing big to notice

[I_come_in_peace]

Originally posted by eDo:

Originally posted by I_come_in_peace:

Okay I'l try it, but I very much doubt it will help because this is not a texture streaming issue but a synchronous process blocking the render pipeline. Look at the video, I'm running in circles, nothing new has to load or stream.

you can try it or let it be its in your hands

on my system https://valid.x86.fr/87majn everything on ultra and on 1440p

looks like this https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1970269774

here and tghere after 4 hours+ there is some hickups but nothing big to notice

Are you running the game from an NVMe? If so could you look up what driver the NVMe controller is using? Also how big is your savefile? Thanks!
Which game version was the recording made on?
And I'll try your suggestion tomorrow.

[eDo]

Originally posted by I_come_in_peace:

Originally posted by eDo:

you can try it or let it be its in your hands

on my system https://valid.x86.fr/87majn everything on ultra and on 1440p

looks like this https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1970269774

here and tghere after 4 hours+ there is some hickups but nothing big to notice

Are you running the game from an NVMe? If so could you look up what driver the NVMe controller is using? Also how big is your savefile? Thanks!
Which game version was the recording made on?
And I'll try your suggestion tomorrow.

game is up to date

on a Samsung 970 EVO Plus 1TB
i think you can google everthing else you need

[SkacikPL]

There is unavoidable save stutter.