They made "seamless full story" Co-op Pointless..

[BlackViper]

from what ive read and heard, you as a player with youre friend, cant get anything else in the game except drops from enemies.. you cant open chests for armor or weapons.. you can open hidden treasures, or get stuff from killing bosses...

SO WHAT IS THE POINT?
if you dont get loot to make youre caracter preform better, or get loot from bosses etc.. then there is no point in playing co op.

[Zakayel]

maybe...to chill with a friend while playing video games...

[Shinkiro]

So you didnt have to keep resummoning, which was seemingly the main complaint from normal PvErs. It's seamless, but its still a single player game at its core with helper style "coop" like in FROMs games, which is the standard formula.

Again, if you want a full fledged PvE coop game you're looking at the wrong genre..

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Shinkiro:

So you didnt have to keep resummoning, which was seemingly the main complaint from normal PvErs. It's seamless, but its still a single player game at its core with helper style "coop" like in FROMs games, which is the standard formula.

Again, if you want a full fledged PvE coop game you're looking at the wrong genre..

thats not what im talking about.. should i have the same boring weapon through the entire game cause i cant find hidden stuff or open boxes for loot?..

i can pick up what is droped on the floor ive seen hours of gameplay, Enemies dont drop armor or weapons...

If the said co op player host can drop stuff for you, thats another thing entirely.
but i dont feel to run round in the same armor/weapon through the entire game while i see my friend finding new stuff.

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by BlackViper:

thats not what im talking about.. should i have the same boring weapon through the entire game cause i cant find hidden stuff or open boxes for loot?..

i can pick up what is droped on the floor ive seen hours of gameplay, Enemies dont drop armor or weapons...

If the said co op player host can drop stuff for you, thats another thing entirely.
but i dont feel to run round in the same armor/weapon through the entire game while i see my friend finding new stuff.

You asked what the point was, and i told you, so people didnt have to deal with tons of loading screens and segregation of areas trying to play through the game with friends. It's still basically the same souls system under that. You're still there as a *helper*.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Shinkiro:

Originally posted by BlackViper:

thats not what im talking about.. should i have the same boring weapon through the entire game cause i cant find hidden stuff or open boxes for loot?..

i can pick up what is droped on the floor ive seen hours of gameplay, Enemies dont drop armor or weapons...

If the said co op player host can drop stuff for you, thats another thing entirely.
but i dont feel to run round in the same armor/weapon through the entire game while i see my friend finding new stuff.

You asked what the point was, and i told you, so people didnt have to deal with tons of loading screens and segregation of areas trying to play through the game with friends. It's still basically the same souls system under that. You're still there as a *helper*.

you make no sense at all lol...
or maybe you just dont get my point..
im not complaining about world choices.. talking with NPcs, or the choice of what world to be in.. ofc the one who hosts should like any other game.

My complaint is this.... "you as a friend joining can not gain hidden weapons/armors, or open chests for loot.. YOU CAN ONLY pick up what is on the floor from enemies.."

Now.... i have seen countless hours of gameplay and not a single enemy have droped a single weapon or armor.. only thing they drop is blue dots that glows...

so you say its fun for the one joining his friend to run round with the same gear the entire time cause they cant do dublicates of stuff for both players like many other games does?..

i dont feel to use a 2 handed sword from start to finish because im not allowed to pick/find stuff. or TRADE with the other guy.

[Mtabacco]

Why do they always figure out how to wreck 2 player games. Just took this off my list.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Mtabacco:

Why do they always figure out how to wreck 2 player games. Just took this off my list.

iknow right, i was looking forward to exploring and find better stuff to beat the monsters with my friend whom i always play co op games with.. now its more like just following the guy while he gets all the goodies...

[Charnel]

As if you aren't getting xp and learning where everything is so you can just blitz upto where your coop play is.
Lots of coop games play this way and they are still popular so no..it's not "ruined"

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Charnel:

As if you aren't getting xp and learning where everything is so you can just blitz upto where your coop play is.
Lots of coop games play this way and they are still popular so no..it's not "ruined"

not ruined for many as a game. but ruined to play co op, for some.
sertain there is games doing the same thing but i have No reconition of any game that does co op like this.. where only ONE player can get stuff and the other dont get squat.
i dont care about progression in missions/the map. but hell not fun to see my friend pick up this cool weapon or that cool chest plate, and i cant pick ♥♥♥♥ through the entire game. or vice versa.

[Xen0christ]

Originally posted by Mtabacco:

Why do they always figure out how to wreck 2 player games. Just took this off my list.

Better stay away from all souls like then

[Zeyr0tyx]

Remnant 2 and Nioh 2 didnt pull that old ass whack "coop" style and they didnt suffer one bit, its just stupid "FromSoft does it like this and they are popular, so it must be good-thinking from devs"...u can play those games instead just fine without session hopping with ur coop partner

[Witch ~]

Kinda get OPs point.

However it might be a game limitation. Remember the seamlesw coop mod is an absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in terms of instability and bugs.

A small indie team getting this to work without problems would be too much. Just summon your friend to YOUR world and repeat the path

[Incandescence]

If i was looking for a good coop experience i would have to agree this isn't it, thankfully i personally am not and just play these games like they have no multiplayer element at all.

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Zeyr0tyx:

Remnant 2 and Nioh 2 didnt pull that old ass whack "coop" style and they didnt suffer one bit, its just stupid "FromSoft does it like this and they are popular, so it must be good-thinking from devs"...u can play those games instead just fine without session hopping with ur coop partner

im not talking about sessions and missions progress..
i Gladly make it myself once again if the game is good enough.
im talking about LOOOT/ARMOR/WEAPONS...
everytime youre friend find a chest, even so if its a hidden one, with good loot that makes youre caracter a bit stronger to progress easier.. you are left out.
everytime he finds a armor pice or weapon that is a exotic/special one. well.. you are still left out with youre starter crap.. cause you cant share anything, or pick up anything except the loot on the ground wich is not often a pice of armor/weapon. Then they have vendors that you can use.. but we all know, vendors sells crap compared to stuff you find.. its always new stuff but with the same stats as you already have or worse.

That... leads the EXPLORATION WITH A FRIEND.. to zero..
cause everytime you explore the world and find something, you go "HEY FRIEND, I FOUND !YOU! SOMETHING AGAIN"

[BlackViper]

Originally posted by Witch ~:

Kinda get OPs point.

However it might be a game limitation. Remember the seamlesw coop mod is an absolute ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ in terms of instability and bugs.

A small indie team getting this to work without problems would be too much. Just summon your friend to YOUR world and repeat the path

bro it has nothing to do with the quest or world, i dont mind doing it alone on my own..
its the LOOT system... you are not allowed if you join youre friend to pick ♥♥♥♥..
every chest, hidden area with a cool weapon or armor pice.. its his for the taking.. the exploration aspect is totaly gone out the window.. cause you are not allowed to pick up anything then loot that falls from lesser mobs , or buy stuff at the vendor wich is probably crap like all vendors in game..

so youre friend will end up with cooler weapons/armor that is better as you guys find stuff..
While "you" that plays is his world. will just KILL stuff.. for him.