WARNING! do not level too far if you want to play pvp

[schnippy]

after reading lots of contradictory information about scaling and matchmaking I decided to max out all the attributes of my first char (lvl 541 for partisan) to have the ability to play every build and get a feeling for what works for me and what doesn't.

PVP games are broken for me now because most of the time I do something between 0 and 4 damage per hit/spell what has to do with broken scaling.

I did some testing now by loading and older savegame where I am lvl 190 and pvp is palyable with "normal" damage numbers. I played around 15 games with this level and I never saw close to zero damage numbers.

I will try to find out about which level range the break point is where scaling gets broken.

[Xero]

There is no max for stats, you can literally keep going forever. Scaling stops completely at 100 and you only get defense boosts after that I'm pretty sure.

Not to mention, if you hit 99 in all SIX stats, you'd be level 535 as partisan. So quit lying mate.

[schnippy]

Originally posted by Xero:

There is no max for stats, you can literally keep going forever. Scaling stops completely at 100 and you only get defense boosts after that I'm pretty sure.

Not to mention, if you hit 99 in all SIX stats, you'd be level 535 as partisan. So quit lying mate.

i misrememberd the numbers.it's 541. no need to call me a liar bro xD

[schnippy]

If you don't believe me that the damage goes down sicnificantly in pvp with higher level, try it yourself (i can drop you enough skulls to test if if you want). maybe my savegame is broken or something else is glitching. but i cant do damage anymore in pvp in at least 8 of 10 games. my lvl 190 save works

[Xero]

Originally posted by schnippy:

no. there is no penalizing scaling for high levels. I have one char maxed out (all attributes at 99) it is by far the easiest to pvp with this one.
i am building a lvl 125 now for more challenge and less bad feelings for the poor low levels xD

This you mate?

[schnippy]

Originally posted by Xero:

Originally posted by schnippy:

no. there is no penalizing scaling for high levels. I have one char maxed out (all attributes at 99) it is by far the easiest to pvp with this one.
i am building a lvl 125 now for more challenge and less bad feelings for the poor low levels xD

This you mate?

yes. this was one or two days ago directly after duping the skulls. the first games i one shoted everything. then suddenly it didnt work anymore a few hours later. i should delete this post because thats not the reality what my game is now

[Xero]

Originally posted by schnippy:

yes. this was one or two days ago directly after duping the skulls. the first games i one shoted everything. then suddenly it didnt work anymore a few hours later. i should delete this post because thats not the reality what my game is now

So you cheated, got your save flagged by their system, and are now suffering for it?

[schnippy]

it's called save scumming. a friend gives you back the items you dropped him after you load an older save. not manipulating the game files at all. you can do it on consoles.

[DarugaX]

Originally posted by schnippy:

it's called save scumming. a friend gives you back the items you dropped him after you load an older save. not manipulating the game files at all. you can do it on consoles.

Why are you playing pvp if you're duping? Sounds like cheating to me.
Why not grind your way up just like every other normal person.

[Xero]

Originally posted by schnippy:

it's called save scumming. a friend gives you back the items you dropped him after you load an older save. not manipulating the game files at all. you can do it on consoles.

You're exploiting the game, and crying when they flag the character data for obtaining large amounts of items so quickly.

[RIPTOR]

Stat scale stop at 99 for VIT/END, 97 for STR,DEX,INF,RAD (+4 split as you want for max mana)

From this point in advance you need +270K of vigour for... a miserable amount of defensive stats and no more scale dmg, anyone who erase you doing x2 times or more your dmg when you have the hard cap or get a miserable dmg by you at the same conditions is a truly cheater, no sense spend tons for a non noticeable stat and no more way than the buffs/runes/acc to do more dmg

Today i was invaded by some guy who make me near to +800 dmg per Radiant Flare when i have +1200 on Rad defense + Adyr buff.... and i do it just 3 dmg per hit.

Yesterday i was helping my friend to do some rush and i use full cap on dmg + accesories with the triple crossOPbow.... i dont do more than 100 dmg in every complete round to one unbuffed/no defense armor to the invader and he make us +1800 per round....

Cheaters exist in all games and i have no problems agaisnt anyone who want be dirty on their own save or want play ez the game.... but if affect pvp is pure shhhhh (you know)

Anyways that problem happen from the day one, at least for me, no matter if youre lv 1XX 2XX or more, i feel as is just full ramdom

[schnippy]

Originally posted by Re:Set:

Originally posted by schnippy:

it's called save scumming. a friend gives you back the items you dropped him after you load an older save. not manipulating the game files at all. you can do it on consoles.

Why are you playing pvp if you're duping? Sounds like cheating to me.
Why not grind your way up just like every other normal person.

well, i can understand your view. maybe you can understand mine aswell: i spend 250 plus hours in the game with lots of crashes and data loss twice bc of corrupted save data and i had thrown the game away if I hadnt start duping at some point. i know that it feels kind of unfair but having to throw away a 60 € product for having game ending bugs is also not fair.

the reality is that duping is normal in every souls game. watch videos from steelovsky for example. he's one of the best and most known pvp players in elden ring and makes youtube videos about how to create your character with cheat engine in a few minutes. that's way beyond duping. some people don't have time to grind and many already had data loss. after hundrets of hours of grinding this data loss really hurts.

the devs easily could have made another save system where scumming is not possible if they wanted. they even did it in some parts of the game. the pvp hands and the plucked eyes are completly saved in the cloud. i can reload a week old save and still have all my new tincts and the pvp armor i recently purchased. no way to save scum theses systems. the devs know that save exploiting is part of souls games, so they decide to make it possible.

if this game works like the devs want it to then being a higher level is not even an advantage in pvp, in many cases it's a disadvantage because of the scaling.
if @RIPTOR is right, then this game is full of real cheaters already.

now you are allowed to hate and roast me if you like. i don't need acceptance. i just wanted to give some facts.

[Ashandaar]

Originally posted by schnippy:

Originally posted by Re:Set:

watch videos from steelovsky for example. he's one of the best and most known pvp players in elden ring and makes youtube videos about how to create your character with cheat engine in a few minutes. that's way beyond duping.

Like you said he basically creates a PvP char SL 125 in minutes. Not a cheated char with 999 999 in all stats and all items at 999. When your job becomes playing a game on the competitive scene, of course you'll create it on the fly. It's not like he's cheating to win. He just cuts the leveling process which, in his case, is a loss of time thus money.

[Rain]

Originally posted by schnippy:

Originally posted by Re:Set:

Why are you playing pvp if you're duping? Sounds like cheating to me.
Why not grind your way up just like every other normal person.

well, i can understand your view. maybe you can understand mine aswell: i spend 250 plus hours in the game with lots of crashes and data loss twice bc of corrupted save data and i had thrown the game away if I hadnt start duping at some point. i know that it feels kind of unfair but having to throw away a 60 € product for having game ending bugs is also not fair.

the reality is that duping is normal in every souls game. watch videos from steelovsky for example. he's one of the best and most known pvp players in elden ring and makes youtube videos about how to create your character with cheat engine in a few minutes. that's way beyond duping. some people don't have time to grind and many already had data loss. after hundrets of hours of grinding this data loss really hurts.

the devs easily could have made another save system where scumming is not possible if they wanted. they even did it in some parts of the game. the pvp hands and the plucked eyes are completly saved in the cloud. i can reload a week old save and still have all my new tincts and the pvp armor i recently purchased. no way to save scum theses systems. the devs know that save exploiting is part of souls games, so they decide to make it possible.

if this game works like the devs want it to then being a higher level is not even an advantage in pvp, in many cases it's a disadvantage because of the scaling.
if @RIPTOR is right, then this game is full of real cheaters already.

now you are allowed to hate and roast me if you like. i don't need acceptance. i just wanted to give some facts.

You do know that resistances scale up with every level, right? So if i were to hit someone with 10k resistances, what do you think how much dmg i'd deal?

[schnippy]

i know. and they are a tiny bit higher at 99 as they are at 75 what my stats were before i started duping. and i don't believe that it effects the amouint of damage you do to me at all because of scaling. i really only tickle ppl in pvp and are getting one hit very, very often since i am at this level. (lvl 99 attributes not 999999 for insane resistance that seems to get scaled down anyways)
by the way...i will not continue with this character obviously. it was for testing. and the testing failed because it is unpalyable with these stats

[RIPTOR]

and you know 2 points of resistance by 270k vig. and even more per lv isnt worth, take you soooooooo long time farming and you need TONS over the stats cap to minimice the dmg ?

And even at that point im not sure about how much you need to recieve "3" dmg from somebody with the ofense stat max capped but i can tell you with 1200-1400 at some resistance type + defensive buffs (in function who i build or gear) i still recieve BIG or considerable hits from that dmg type, not 3, 10 or 100 as i do tons of times to invaders or in my own invasions so... yes you can get lv for def but no one PLAYING the game go to drop to the trash can hours of grind and millions of vigour on stats over the cap instead cap all the others and get more benefits...