PvP and why it's bad currently

[NicV5203]

The only reason that it's currently bad is people aren't treating this like a "souls" game. anytime I get invaded no one waits for me to clear the area so it's a fair fight like the Previous games. Then there are the Umbral enemies. I LOVE getting the other person down to one shot, they kill me and then I get swarmed by the Stone Face MF's and smaller guys. There needs to be an arena so casual's such as myself don't have to get screwed over every time we run through a new area or are trying to farm for materials. yea yea yea Skill issue, Don't care, I get I'm not good at PvP but sometimes the area's are just too full of other things to worry about and the invader get's handed a win.

[*D4rKsKy*]

The only reason is weird matchmaking and cheaters. Just ignore it turn of multiplayer problem is solved.

[Kane's Games]

You get an entire second life and we don't, the enemies at least somewhat help balance that out. Being an invader is an absolute nightmare, either your opponent Alt+f4s 8 times in a row, you finally connect and it's so laggy that they hit a wall 8ft away and you die, or even worse it's a laggy 2v1. Then add on that they have a second life? It's absolutely rage inducing. I wouldn't touch it all if it weren't for the tinct I want to buy.

[ElviraDemonQueen]

i sorry but where the ♥♥♥♥ in souls games dit they allow FAIR fights ? i try darksouls3 got murther by 4 people over and over after a zone and they mostly used all the minions to kill me or even 1 shot me with really powerfull weapons i never seen befor reason i lefted that game and never went back

so when are there fair fights as even in ELDEN RING i try it 2 times and it whas never even like that or fair

[Macro Tofu]

They should make red reaper attacks invader as well. I've met some invaders who just hide away until the red reaper appears, so silly.

[Erikkustrife]

As an invader in dark souls 1-3 i just killed people and tried to use any spawns to aid my endevors. Remember theres no such thing as a fair fight just the fight you win or lose.

[Clientofwar]

Originally posted by NicV5203:

The only reason that it's currently bad is people aren't treating this like a "souls" game. anytime I get invaded no one waits for me to clear the area so it's a fair fight like the Previous games. Then there are the Umbral enemies. I LOVE getting the other person down to one shot, they kill me and then I get swarmed by the Stone Face MF's and smaller guys. There needs to be an arena so casual's such as myself don't have to get screwed over every time we run through a new area or are trying to farm for materials. yea yea yea Skill issue, Don't care, I get I'm not good at PvP but sometimes the area's are just too full of other things to worry about and the invader get's handed a win.

That's how it works, deal with it. There are no rules to PvP. Nobody cares about waiting for you to clear mobs. They will use that to their advantage and get a free win.

This is how every souls game with multiplayer invasions works. You should have known that before buying the game. This is not a game for casuals.

Also pretty sure this is just one of many reasons why people are giving it bad reviews. Just because they are bad at the game, or things didn't go their way. Or their 10 year old potato can't run the game in 4k with 900000fps.

You literally said PVP IS BAD, because you are bad at it and that people won't give you breathing room when getting invaded. You don't get to dictate how PvP goes when you get invaded. That is a dumb reason to say PvP is bad. 100% skill issue.

[Fresh]

The congregator boss arena zooms out just a bit thats the ideal place for a pvp arena

[BaneofMills]

Originally posted by NicV5203:

The only reason that it's currently bad is people aren't treating this like a "souls" game. anytime I get invaded no one waits for me to clear the area so it's a fair fight like the Previous games. Then there are the Umbral enemies. I LOVE getting the other person down to one shot, they kill me and then I get swarmed by the Stone Face MF's and smaller guys. There needs to be an arena so casual's such as myself don't have to get screwed over every time we run through a new area or are trying to farm for materials. yea yea yea Skill issue, Don't care, I get I'm not good at PvP but sometimes the area's are just too full of other things to worry about and the invader get's handed a win.

[DickyDiscord]

Disagree that's a norm in FromSoftware's games, however, you're unlikely to see that happen in this game for another reason: There's no Lords or Fallen bros (bros in this context includes females.). Why? Because no one in the competitive, nor lore, communities, really likes the game. I do, but I'm very alone in this, though I'm also still struggling to understand the lore in this game.

Second to that, this game is new, from a new developer. Meaning they don't have the fanbase built from decades upon decades of work like the FromSoftware community has. So there's no real community for the game just yet. We're basically in the local punkrock scene watching the opening band no one knows about, where only people that know about the band even care the band is playing right now. The band that is LotF still hasn't sold out yet. For better or worse.

I'm not saying players like me don't do what you're speaking of FS's games. We do. But I think a third thing has to be said: You're going to lose every single time in LotF if you wait. First hit wins in PvP. More so on the higher leveled builds. There's zero incentive in this game to wait. Plus, it's not like we have summon an invader, areans, or other mechanics in the game at this point that might cause a informal set of decorum or code of conduct to occur.

Suppose the fourth point is this: You haven't started a community to encourage a code of conduct or set of behaviors to adapt. Gamers aren't going to just do things because you tell them to do them. You have to find like minds and build up a sense of the behavior in a community before it's going to be adapted.

Just fast thoughts. I really see no valid reason to wait for anyone given how the balancing works in this game. Not going to bow or greet otherwise just to get 1-Shotted in the animation for it.

[Ser Oddly]

I'm fine with PVP as long as I don't run into cheaters.
This really ticks me.
The infinite heavenly vials. I mean, how can you use 30+ vials lol
Just... No.
And that insane defense.
Like seriously, doing 10 damage with a +10 Ravager Greatsword, buffed with Adyr's Damage shout and Radiant weapon.
Totally nonsensical.

[MasterWeeb]

the only reason pvp is terrible and why i currently opt out of it everytime is because it rarely is a fight.
9 out of 10 it is a one shotting magic caster hiding behind a horde of enemies, there is no fun in pvp like this.

yesterday i had a guy invade me and gave me a proper fight, no magic ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and a open field to fight in, whoever that was i hope i meet him again

[Flowmad]

There is a simple solution for obnoxious PVP opponents, exit to the main menu and load back in. I just did that when some guy kept running away to heal himself and to lure me into enemy swams while the time in the Umbra Realm was running out. Don't feel like dealing with BS.

[Ser Oddly]

Originally posted by Flowmad:

There is a simple solution for obnoxious PVP opponents, exit to the main menu and load back in. I just did that when some guy kept running away to heal himself and to lure me into enemy swams while the time in the Umbra Realm was running out. Don't feel like dealing with BS.

This is the answer. Pisses them off real bad LOL
Wait long to invade, actually invade, get a fight but act like wussies,
DISCONNECTED BWA HAHAHAHA

[Erikkustrife]

Originally posted by Ragnarok, World Destruction:

I'm fine with PVP as long as I don't run into cheaters.
This really ticks me.
The infinite heavenly vials. I mean, how can you use 30+ vials lol
Just... No.
And that insane defense.
Like seriously, doing 10 damage with a +10 Ravager Greatsword, buffed with Adyr's Damage shout and Radiant weapon.
Totally nonsensical.

Are you aware that the odd stone gives 200+ defense to inferno and radiant?

[NicV5203]

Thanks for replies, I understand that this Isn't a souls game but it plays like one and people should still respect the battle, No reason to bum rush people and then get an easy win. It kills the entire thing, I'm all for PvP don't get my message above wrong but fckn' hell is it annoying to deal with 2 Ice bowmen, 3 Grand-Axe guys, and invader. every time i cross through that spot i get invaded so I've for now given up on it. It's harder to be invaded if anything, as an invader the most you have to worry about are AoE attacks from Enemies. there is so much more to worry abt as the "invadee" I shouldn't be cut off to my next area where i can put down my Check point because i get invaded.