Another forced PvP soulslike

[Apox]

ResidentSleeper ty for saving me money

[saymyname]

Red Man Bad?

[Apox]

nah if u wanna pvp its can be fun but if u just wanna play coop is annoing af and should be seperated

[DaWeezerd]

Oh no! Anyway…

[DayLight1943]

there has never been a fromsoftware game with forced pvp, all can be played solo and offline.

like many things in souls games, using a mechanic to your advantage results in negative consequences, and you have to balance those advantages and consequences to suit your playstyle.

choosing to engage with an optional mechanic and its very clearly stated consequences is not being "forced" to do anything - thats totally absurd. you choose to buy a game that features invasions, choose to install it, and choose to engage with totally optional mechanics that enables totally optional invasions. in no universe is this "forced".

the amount of intellectual incompetence required to look at fromsoft invasions as "forced" is absolutely staggering.

[koopinator14]

I don't blame you. I can tell some people want a co op game with no invasions because everyone wants to play a game where your with your friends dealing with the enemies in the game and not other players who can act as a wall to that. I more disappointed because i most of the co op is the same or very similar to the fromsoft games. When I think of Code vein and Remnant series you just have a people join in the game i feel i want to see something new or different with the co op. When i think of the time of dark souls 2 i feel a lot was being experimented with co op like aspects were being tested in terms of factions. I could tell they the co op was different especially with bloodborne. I may still play this game but may wait on it to see if it has something interesting about it.

[Armored Lagann Nº621 Lenny]

Don't want to be invaded? Play alone, wants to play with your friends? I'll join the fun!

[ErzPaladin]

Funny, that nobody has started a thread about the fact, that Lords of the Fallen is another PS4/5-game which celebrates it's release YEARS LATER on STEAM as full-prize-title.

If you want to comment something, then at least comment thaaaaaaat!

[Akasha]

Yeah, Wo Long did it right with the ability to coop and turn invasions off, sadly that's one of the few things it did right.

Oh well, can just wait till the game slow burns then get it on sale while the griefers who think they are PvPers are either leveled too high for match making or got bored of waiting to invade and moved on to another game.

[Unmotivated]

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

there has never been a fromsoftware game with forced pvp, all can be played solo and offline.

like many things in souls games, using a mechanic to your advantage results in negative consequences, and you have to balance those advantages and consequences to suit your playstyle.

choosing to engage with an optional mechanic and its very clearly stated consequences is not being "forced" to do anything - thats totally absurd. you choose to buy a game that features invasions, choose to install it, and choose to engage with totally optional mechanics that enables totally optional invasions. in no universe is this "forced".

the amount of intellectual incompetence required to look at fromsoft invasions as "forced" is absolutely staggering.

This isn't a Fromsoft game. Why do people see Fromsoft as the end all be all cornerstone of game design? They aren't perfect. Their PvPvE implementation is far from perfect. I'd best encourage devs to actually innovate and capitalize on Fromsoft's mistakes than repeating them.

Not everything needs to copy Fromsoft. They are not infallible and make bad decisions with their games. Stop acting like every game needs to be like a Fromsoft game. You're worse than the people who moan about Easy mode not existing.

[Mijj]

Originally posted by DayLight1943:

there has never been a fromsoftware game with forced pvp, all can be played solo and offline.

like many things in souls games, using a mechanic to your advantage results in negative consequences, and you have to balance those advantages and consequences to suit your playstyle.

choosing to engage with an optional mechanic and its very clearly stated consequences is not being "forced" to do anything - thats totally absurd. you choose to buy a game that features invasions, choose to install it, and choose to engage with totally optional mechanics that enables totally optional invasions. in no universe is this "forced".

the amount of intellectual incompetence required to look at fromsoft invasions as "forced" is absolutely staggering.

And you don't understand, you "intelligent" guy, that some people want to enjoy the game with a friend in coop but don't want the invasion at all?Stop bringin the offline thing, that's not what people talk about when they want to get rid of the invasion, it's because they want to enjoy the game in coop

[pathtracer]

Originally posted by Mijj:

And you don't understand, you "intelligent" guy, that some people want to enjoy the game with a friend in coop but don't want the invasion at all?Stop bringin the offline thing, that's not what people talk about when they want to get rid of the invasion, it's because they want to enjoy the game in coop

it's completely feigned ignorance. forced-invasion supporters know perfectly well that we want coop without PvP, they just pretend not to because what THEY want is the ability to grief unwilling players.

[Akasha]

Originally posted by pathtracer:

Originally posted by Mijj:

And you don't understand, you "intelligent" guy, that some people want to enjoy the game with a friend in coop but don't want the invasion at all?Stop bringin the offline thing, that's not what people talk about when they want to get rid of the invasion, it's because they want to enjoy the game in coop

it's completely feigned ignorance. forced-invasion supporters know perfectly well that we want coop without PvP, they just pretend not to because what THEY want is the ability to grief unwilling players.

Ding ding, hiding behind ignorance or moving the goal post only to ruin the longevity and support of the game instead of just letting people have the option.

[Outlaw Mugen]

Originally posted by pathtracer:

Originally posted by Mijj:

And you don't understand, you "intelligent" guy, that some people want to enjoy the game with a friend in coop but don't want the invasion at all?Stop bringin the offline thing, that's not what people talk about when they want to get rid of the invasion, it's because they want to enjoy the game in coop

it's completely feigned ignorance. forced-invasion supporters know perfectly well that we want coop without PvP, they just pretend not to because what THEY want is the ability to grief unwilling players.

I have beaten Elden Ring solo many times. However only with Co-Op Mod I had more fun. It wasn't easier, it was more convenient. Seamless co op in action RPG's is all we wanted. Exploring dungeons together, fighting bosses and dying.

Just let people play the game the way they want to play it. Simple option for allowing or not allowing invasions and suddenly everyone gets to play as they wanted to.

[Unmotivated]

I find it funny that every single Fromsoft fanboy wants every Soulslike to be just like Dark Souls, which is so incredibly boring, and doesn't want to embrace the potential change that comes with a new game.

It's like the games trying to cater to other players offends them, meanwhile, a lot of us just want a game we can finally enjoy with our friends without dealing with obviously griefing invaders because Dark Souls is what it is.

Coop games in general are dull because they are all weightless, mechanically disengaging and nothing but grinds and battlepasses. We ask for something of substance, and we get ♥♥♥♥ in the face. So, i'm going to say what you guys say all the time: don't like how Lords of the Fallen does invasions? Go play a fighting game, or go back to the oh so heralded Dark Souls 3 experience. This game clearly isn't for you either.

[SpilledBeans]

Originally posted by Motivated:

So, i'm going to say what you guys say all the time: don't like how Lords of the Fallen does invasions? Go play a fighting game, or go back to the oh so heralded Dark Souls 3 experience. This game clearly isn't for you either.

Dude there will be invasions , you're the one that has to accept that