Is this game woke?

[ChickenMadness]

Had a quick glance and it looks woke to me.

Not supporting woke products.

[ReliableEyball]

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ loser.

[tshrimp]

Glad I read this before buying. Looks like I need to pass this one up. Plenty of based games i can give my money to.

[Tzunny]

200%

[mhsiea]

You guys just don't give up. Please go back to trolling the forums of a newer game that you also don't actually own or play.

[Chunky Monkey]

Originalmente postado por mhsiea:

You guys just don't give up. Please go back to trolling the forums of a newer game that you also don't actually own or play.

Nah the gamergate garbage can stay here. We already got more virgins than a hentai-expo hanging around in Dragon Age Veilguard forums, just acting like morons who obviously don't play the game.

[tshrimp]

Can someone who has played the game put a summary of what is woke in this game? I just want to make sure it is truly woke before passing it by.

[MasterCrain]

I am playing it right now and are near the end, so here is what i think most people mean, if they say, the game is "woke":

I met 2 people who mention at some point that the have a lover of the same sex
There is a racist guy in a side quest
There is a former slave in a side quest (That he was a slave is important in that quest)
I met 3 woman, who were in a position of power or leadership
2 of those woman were arrgoant, horrible people. (but to be fair you also meet some arrgoant, horrible guys)
There are a few conversation about how woman are treated badly (which they often are, the game plays in the 1600 after all)

The female protagonist (Antea) is often arrogant, agressive and has some really bad takes ( Things like "I understand killing of all the weak innocent people, so that the strong ones can survive")
Her random one-lines in combat become annoying really fast ("do you think, you can beat a ghost?" Yes i do, because you know Reds attacks are strong against ghosts...)
The male protagonist (Red) is more of a goody two shoes guy, who gets talked over by Antea a lot.
In the prologue there is one short conversation, where someone thought Antea was a "service girl" and Red explained, that she is the banisher and he is her apprentice.

Outside of Antea beeing really unlikeable (not necessary badly written, most of her actions make sense inside the games story) there is nothing i found problematic or negativ. The little Side Storys are Banishers biggest strength.

One warning: The fights become boring fast, not because the system is bad, but because how little variety it has

[Linxen Jarkris]

It's a fantasy game.

[SaintMono]

Originalmente postado por ChickenMadness:

Had a quick glance and it looks woke to me.

Not supporting woke products.

Lol in other words, not supporting anything that is showing the diverse nature of humanity.

[ExAstrisVox]

Originalmente postado por s0r@nd0m:

Guys, are Magical Puritans woke?

You know, this game has, like, magic and ghosts and supernatural this and that. But a Black woman in fake New England just really broke the immersion for me.

What next? Asians at Hogwarts??!! Read your history, people. Stop the woke mind virus and reclaim our history.

The Wizard of Oz was white, okay? He just was

[WolfEisberg]

Originalmente postado por ExAstrisVox:

Originalmente postado por s0r@nd0m:

Guys, are Magical Puritans woke?

You know, this game has, like, magic and ghosts and supernatural this and that. But a Black woman in fake New England just really broke the immersion for me.

What next? Asians at Hogwarts??!! Read your history, people. Stop the woke mind virus and reclaim our history.

The Wizard of Oz was white, okay? He just was

Are you saying it was impossible for a Cuban born woman to travel to New England costal town?

[danmak27]

Originalmente postado por WolfEisberg:

Originalmente postado por ExAstrisVox:

You know, this game has, like, magic and ghosts and supernatural this and that. But a Black woman in fake New England just really broke the immersion for me.

What next? Asians at Hogwarts??!! Read your history, people. Stop the woke mind virus and reclaim our history.

The Wizard of Oz was white, okay? He just was

Are you saying it was impossible for a Cuban born woman to travel to New England costal town?

Well, you have to consider that according to the "anti everything movement" black people at the time didn't have neither arms nor legs so they couldn't move around. That's why they were used as slave laborers. It's still an enigma today as to why they were brought from Africa to the Americas for that very reason. /s

[Varel]

Thx for the topic, only read the first page to avoid all extremist non sense and it was helpful to making a decision for me.

A few misconceptions i saw here and there tough, some stuff described simply isn't woke. I mean i'm getting allergic to this as well, espacially after dragon age veilguard, but let's not put gay people into this nonsense, and let's not put interracial relationships into this as well. woke is something else, and there is a reason why some women or gay people are furious or sad being put into the same bag as woke people. (However woke people do have huge interest in this happening)

While i do not want to see any woke non sense in any of my game, the romance is what drawn me in the first place. when i see a gay couple in a don't nod game i'm a bit sad, but it is only because i cannot relate and immerse myself into my character, simply because of being straight. When it happens i just think "well kudo for gay people who will have a game for them at least", same when a main protagonist is female and i think good for my sister.

Anyway way too many people who aren't interesting in this debate and don't understand even what's it's all about, so let's leave it at that and again, thx for the topic. I will buy the game since i think the "woke" elements won't disturb me too much in this one.

after reading a bit, removing obvious extremists from both sides, it's actually pretty easy to get a good idea of what to expect fortunately.

[Akela]

Originalmente postado por MasterCrain:

I am playing it right now and are near the end, so here is what i think most people mean, if they say, the game is "woke":

I met 2 people who mention at some point that the have a lover of the same sex
There is a racist guy in a side quest
There is a former slave in a side quest (That he was a slave is important in that quest)
I met 3 woman, who were in a position of power or leadership
2 of those woman were arrgoant, horrible people. (but to be fair you also meet some arrgoant, horrible guys)
There are a few conversation about how woman are treated badly (which they often are, the game plays in the 1600 after all)

The female protagonist (Antea) is often arrogant, agressive and has some really bad takes ( Things like "I understand killing of all the weak innocent people, so that the strong ones can survive")
Her random one-lines in combat become annoying really fast ("do you think, you can beat a ghost?" Yes i do, because you know Reds attacks are strong against ghosts...)
The male protagonist (Red) is more of a goody two shoes guy, who gets talked over by Antea a lot.
In the prologue there is one short conversation, where someone thought Antea was a "service girl" and Red explained, that she is the banisher and he is her apprentice.

Outside of Antea beeing really unlikeable (not necessary badly written, most of her actions make sense inside the games story) there is nothing i found problematic or negativ. The little Side Storys are Banishers biggest strength.

One warning: The fights become boring fast, not because the system is bad, but because how little variety it has

Thank you. This is enough to remove the game from my wishlist.

[mhsiea]

It's kind of funny that in a lot of early Sci-fi and "horror" novels, authors sometimes gave their characters exotic backgrounds. For example, Verne made Captain Nemo into an Indian Prince. Phineas Fogg marries an Indian woman who he meets on his trip. The original Phantom of the Opera was Persian. People thought that the foreign and unusual background made people more interesting.

These characters tended to be white-washed as they moved into movies and other media. (I'm white, so don't start.)

Now, if you have a character with an exotic background, such as Antea who is a black Cuban, you get complaints about being woke. I actually occasionally did think that Antea could be a bit harsh, but she's also an interesting character and more interesting than a lot of other video game characters in recent games.

The game is telling a story about a diverse group of people with different backgrounds and with different perspectives on things. There is even a French woman.

Why this bothers and so triggers anyone is beyond me.