Is the game still Pay-2-Win as the mixed/negative reviews indicate?

[Salty Sis' 4U]

Outsider asking for the insider scoop.

[The Gaming Master]

No, its not as p2w as you think. Its quite enjoyable actually! You can buy a premium battlepass and currency, but thats about it.

[Neyreyan_Youtube]

The devs are working on making the game more fair.
With real money you can buy: premium pass to get more exp/gold per match, a battlepass that is quite fair But also complete mechs, have a lot more weapons to chose from when buying gear, OP pilots that normal players cant buy, materials to upgrade mech to max( wich require weeks of grinding).
While its a fair game you usually get matched against whales, veterans or whale veterans that play in a party on discord.
The game is leaning heavy on pay to win and premade teams. I doubt new players can progress if the devs dont change matchmaking

[PANDABOMB]

It's incredibly P2W. The salvage mechanic alone is a huge power spike which takes forever to grind and can easily be amassed with $. There are already 5+ different currency systems which all can be bought with $, and the more of it you have, the more customization and upgrade options you get.

If you think you're going to join the game and start customizing your own robots without spending money, you're fooling yourself.

[Grunt4life]

No it’s not pay to win…. Those are the negative players who suck at the game and blame getting stomped on “premium p2w mechs”

Every part in the game is grindable and can be achieved through gameplay. The only exception is hero pilots. Everything else is achievable, weapons, powers, mech parts, etc etc.

I didn’t buy a thing until level 14 and progressed quick by being good at the game. Have fun

[Grunt4life]

Originally posted by PANDABOMB:

It's incredibly P2W. The salvage mechanic alone is a huge power spike which takes forever to grind and can easily be amassed with $. There are already 5+ different currency systems which all can be bought with $, and the more of it you have, the more customization and upgrade options you get.

If you think you're going to join the game and start customizing your own robots without spending money, you're fooling yourself.

Wrong …. Pay to win implies you can pay real money to have an overpowered advantage over free to play players who could never achieve it without money. Free to play players can unlock and upgraded everything. Paying only makes it quicker to upgrade. You still have to be good at the game to not die. There’s literally not much difference between very upgraded parts and upgraded parts. They will usually increase fuel or shield or armor by 1000+ points out of like 100k which is barely noticeable enough to be a significant upgrade.

You say it’s a power spike to grind that’s called playing the game it hasn’t even been out 2 weeks + and you’re calling it a grind. I’ve got a lot since launch free, tho I’ll admit credits take forever and need to be fixed. Salvage is easy to get especially when you scrap modules you don’t like. Warp reals are the only premium pay to play currency. I’ve played up to level 14 without buying a thing and had plenty of mechs and parts and was consistent top 3 players even against guys with clearly paid for cosmetics and prob upgraded parts.

[WuzzleFuzz The Wise]

There's a couple things that could be argued to be pay to win, but they're not quite as blatant as certain things in games like world of tanks or war thunder.
1. All the mechs are just a combination of components. You can acquire all of those components without spending real money most of the time, but getting those components through the store(with non-premium currency) is largely a matter of RNG and doing so for free can require a significant time investment. Certain component combinations overperform, sometimes to a vast degree, so a new player will be left at a disadvantage compared to a veteran player or player that has spent money to acquire components early.
2. Components can be upgraded to a degree, giving them permanent stat bonuses over stock parts. Most parts can only be upgraded no more than roughly 10% better than a stock version(there are some outliers), and achieving a maximum upgrade level requires an extreme amount of resources and time investment. This also leaves new players at a relatively minor disadvantage against veteran players or players that paid to skip most of the resource requirements.
Generally, a fight between two players will be decided by a combination of skill, circumstance, experience and mech build. It will be very rare that a paid advantage will be a decisive factor in a battle, such an advantage will simply be far less significant than the major factors can be.

[RifRafJonesy]

To be fair I think the answer is on the store page. They currently sell paid DLC that give an advantage, clearly 100% P2W. Devs like this could make all paid items cosmetic and people would buy it to support a good game. It's just to easy to sell advantage to wallet warriors, to not do it. I may try it, but either way, it would just be a brief game for me. Nothing worse than losing a fight to a $60 DLC that is just slightly better in every way, once you max yours out with a grind.

[BanzaiBob]

Originally posted by Salty Sis' 4U:

Outsider asking for the insider scoop.

the mobile version was HEAVILY pay to win. cant tell you how many players i had in matches that had the END GAME mechs after starting and playing for the first time for an hour..or so they claimed

[いか]

Originally posted by RifRafJonesy:

To be fair I think the answer is on the store page. They currently sell paid DLC that give an advantage, clearly 100% P2W. Devs like this could make all paid items cosmetic and people would buy it to support a good game. It's just to easy to sell advantage to wallet warriors, to not do it. I may try it, but either way, it would just be a brief game for me. Nothing worse than losing a fight to a $60 DLC that is just slightly better in every way, once you max yours out with a grind.

I have all the store mechs now but I didn't buy em with money. I got em through currency in the game.

I would never ever ever buy some of those mechs in the actual in game store. They are just not made by people who play this game.

You can 100% earn every single part in the game with in game time and currency and then they give you whole mechs during level ups through parts.

Pay2win means buying something no other player can earn in game. A 60 dollar mech you can earn with in game gold and then have the experience to be able to make use of that?

You will lose fights. Often to a literal free mech with three flame throwers on it.
That's the game.

Some dude with a mastery of the harpy will usually win out over the guy who bought the ares and doesn't know how to use it.

Edit for Salvage: Salvage is actually pretty easy to get. You can if just casually clearling your dailies get atleast to level 5 on your main mech day 1 with the pass/store.

I often will save a day or two's worth of currency and upgrade parts on that that day. You have focus on new parts or upgrading old parts. That's how a free player has to think. I dunno I spent like years in moba's earning gold for characters this barely bugs me.

You see these mechs in the store and go "yeah that's how you get them" naw dude. I got whole Siren body on my random shop today. It took buying two junky shoulders but I got it.

[THE WARRIOR]

Originally posted by いか:

Originally posted by RifRafJonesy:

To be fair I think the answer is on the store page. They currently sell paid DLC that give an advantage, clearly 100% P2W. Devs like this could make all paid items cosmetic and people would buy it to support a good game. It's just to easy to sell advantage to wallet warriors, to not do it. I may try it, but either way, it would just be a brief game for me. Nothing worse than losing a fight to a $60 DLC that is just slightly better in every way, once you max yours out with a grind.

I have all the store mechs now but I didn't buy em with money. I got em through currency in the game.

I would never ever ever buy some of those mechs in the actual in game store. They are just not made by people who play this game.

You can 100% earn every single part in the game with in game time and currency and then they give you whole mechs during level ups through parts.

Pay2win means buying something no other player can earn in game. A 60 dollar mech you can earn with in game gold and then have the experience to be able to make use of that?

You will lose fights. Often to a literal free mech with three flame throwers on it.
That's the game.

Some dude with a mastery of the harpy will usually win out over the guy who bought the ares and doesn't know how to use it.

Edit for Salvage: Salvage is actually pretty easy to get. You can if just casually clearling your dailies get atleast to level 5 on your main mech day 1 with the pass/store.

I often will save a day or two's worth of currency and upgrade parts on that that day. You have focus on new parts or upgrading old parts. That's how a free player has to think. I dunno I spent like years in moba's earning gold for characters this barely bugs me.

You see these mechs in the store and go "yeah that's how you get them" naw dude. I got whole Siren body on my random shop today. It took buying two junky shoulders but I got it.

U can get it for free but you get them lot quicker buy spending money, according to comments. Comments also suggest that players who buy stuff early are matched with f2p players who still need to get that stuff. That obviously gives people spending money unfair advantage. You feel it's not p2w game because it's not as blatantly p2w as first game. But as long as you can PURCHASE weapons and robots, which will be used in actual fights against other people, game remains p2w in heavily pvp game like this. Just imagine people being able to buy AKs in counter strike with real money while other people grind to get same for weeks. Who will win most battles in between? They can monetize with cosmetics, if they are selling core gameplay component for real money, it's p2w, no matter how visible it is. If people stop complaining and become okay with this model, we know how far this company can go with its p2w model

[MrMaseltovBob]

Originally posted by Salty Sis' 4U:

Outsider asking for the insider scoop.

It is. Pilots bought with real money have more stats/advantages than normal.
You can buy better items with real money.

I really want to main this game, but there are so many bad decisions, that I have to quit.

If it would not be p2w I would have made some purchases, tbh.

[Kidda]

Originally posted by ShaakS:

Originally posted by MrMaseltovBob:

It is. Pilots bought with real money have more stats/advantages than normal.
You can buy better items with real money.

I really want to main this game, but there are so many bad decisions, that I have to quit.

If it would not be p2w I would have made some purchases, tbh.

Which items they can bought? Progress your account levels and you will unlock every item in game. So yes - they can ez just buy some weapons, but everything you can craft yourself, so more time will go - the more people will be with better weapons and ofcourse - stats.

The "pay real world money for convenience" or "pay real world money to progress faster" is pay to win, can't see it any other way.

You have two players, Player A and Player B. Both fight each other in the same match as opponents. Player A spends 200 american dollars, Player B spends nothing. Player A buys startup robot kits or parts from the store with real world money.

Player A essentially have an advantage over Player B. That is pay to win. Simple. Can't even deny that.

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Kidda:

Originally posted by ShaakS:

Which items they can bought? Progress your account levels and you will unlock every item in game. So yes - they can ez just buy some weapons, but everything you can craft yourself, so more time will go - the more people will be with better weapons and ofcourse - stats.

The "pay real world money for convenience" or "pay real world money to progress faster" is pay to win, can't see it any other way.

You have two players, Player A and Player B. Both fight each other in the same match as opponents. Player A spends 200 american dollars, Player B spends nothing. Player A buys startup robot kits or parts from the store with real world money.

Player A essentially have an advantage over Player B. That is pay to win. Simple. Can't even deny that.

So you are saying skill of the player does not factor into your scenario. Quite absurd really. Especially since skill matters more than what you bought.

[Neyreyan_Youtube]

Originally posted by ShaakS:

Originally posted by MrMaseltovBob:

It is. Pilots bought with real money have more stats/advantages than normal.
You can buy better items with real money.

I really want to main this game, but there are so many bad decisions, that I have to quit.

If it would not be p2w I would have made some purchases, tbh.

Which items they can bought? Progress your account levels and you will unlock every item in game. So yes - they can ez just buy some weapons, but everything you can craft yourself, so more time will go - the more people will be with better weapons and ofcourse - stats.

there are OP pilots you can straight up buy to get a huge advantage in damage, i sometimes get sniped by those pilots. There are 4 op pilots, any player with them has a massive advantage.
You can also buy a lot of upgrade materials, battle ready mechs, skills and more stuff.
The problem is that after 30 hours you have all bots you want(but not the rare ones but you can buy them) and then the game stops, there is nothing to do but slowly upgrade stuff.

Sadly the game is literally unplayable as a pure f2p account. After level 7 or 10 you can be matchmaked against top tier players.
But even with a premium account and 66 hours played i was not able to get a single pilot with skills similar to p2w pilots(similar but not the same). I don't have any rare mechs, i got a few rare weapons and barely any upgrades done.

The game also matches randoms vs premade teams and the game degenerates into a sniping and camping match where only snipers and flamers are played

[EvilHare]

Originally posted by Neyreyan_Youtube:

Originally posted by ShaakS:

Which items they can bought? Progress your account levels and you will unlock every item in game. So yes - they can ez just buy some weapons, but everything you can craft yourself, so more time will go - the more people will be with better weapons and ofcourse - stats.

there are OP pilots you can straight up buy to get a huge advantage in damage, i sometimes get sniped by those pilots. There are 4 op pilots, any player with them has a massive advantage.
You can also buy a lot of upgrade materials, battle ready mechs, skills and more stuff.
The problem is that after 30 hours you have all bots you want(but not the rare ones but you can buy them) and then the game stops, there is nothing to do but slowly upgrade stuff.

Sadly the game is literally unplayable as a pure f2p account. After level 7 or 10 you can be matchmaked against top tier players.
But even with a premium account and 66 hours played i was not able to get a single pilot with skills similar to p2w pilots(similar but not the same). I don't have any rare mechs, i got a few rare weapons and barely any upgrades done.

The game also matches randoms vs premade teams and the game degenerates into a sniping and camping match where only snipers and flamers are played

Look at your warehouse list. Rares unlock with profile levels.

You will not be matched with top tier players. You are in Bronze. You will be matched with Bronze players. Top tier players are in Emerald, Diamond, and Noachium.

Please play the game before thinking you know it. All you did is give misinformation and show us you have no skills.