Leadership levelling question

[Stu -1]

So leadership can be increased through levelling and seizing objectives. Does anybody else have suspicions that it can maybe be increased through other means?

i can't confirm it because all the stat increases flicker rapidly. but im just curious if anyone else thinks this. or if a dev can definitively tell me no so i can stop thinking about it lol.

not sure about everyone elses' campaigns, but mines is completely ruled by leadership and squad capacity management.

reminds me of fire emblem trying to level low level units to catch up. but instead of feeding them kills its any and every way to scrape out another leadership point lol.

[Ammo Donkey]

It also seems to increase if you have the mentor tech from the tech tree outside of levelling up, though that tech is mostly useless unless you plan on fielding a bunch of merc squads you level that way first.

For the main character, it can increase whenever you gain faction exp by the looks of it. Had him gain leadership when other people seize objectives a bunch of times.

[Stu -1]

Originally posted by 40% Unga:

It also seems to increase if you have the mentor tech from the tech tree outside of levelling up, though that tech is mostly useless unless you plan on fielding a bunch of merc squads you level that way first.

For the main character, it can increase whenever you gain faction exp by the looks of it. Had him gain leadership when other people seize objectives a bunch of times.

i knew about the mentor tech but it caps at 10 below the squad leader so... seems kinda pointless? unless you have 1 squad leader with sky high leadership and you need to replace others.

interested in the second part. would explain why my MC is snowballing leadership so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hard despite me actively trying to feed it to other people.

i kinda wish leadership was a separate stat in the way it levelled. and it gained its own experience and levelled up as you used a character to lead a squad. havign such a crucial stat be essentially rng is... annoying... lol

[lordzen21]

leadership only matters if you plan on making them a leader of a unit their ldr is what is used to have each member in the party and what items you give them some give more most take away and the units movement type is based on the leader

[HawkPeft]

I think you gain leadership from force surrendering enemies as well, but that's just a hunch, sometimes leadership up just seems to pop up randomly.

[SoaringMule967]

You also have items that can give you bonus leadership. No earthly idea how the number gets bigger, I just hunted for leadership items.

[Rock]

Characters in the main characters unit tend to go up because of the mentor skill. Barnabas gives a similar ability as mentor but without the +10 level cap. So Barnabas can even train characters who have more leadership than he does (which is good because his leadership is bad).

So if you want to train a character in leadership, put them in the main characters unit and capture towns with the main character, until they are within 10 of the main character. Then switch them over to Barnabas' unit to keep progressing.

[Cat]

What does leadership do for units that aren't leaders? Anything? I've seen units get leadership when winning normal fights or leveling up, so I was curious how that's different from ordinary stat increases. (Pops up as Leadership Up)

[Rock]

I don't believe it does anything if they aren't leaders. But if they get a lot of pops you could make them a leader.

[Stu -1]

Originally posted by lordzen21:

leadership only matters if you plan on making them a leader of a unit their ldr is what is used to have each member in the party and what items you give them some give more most take away and the units movement type is based on the leader

im talking specifically about existing squad leaders and the bottleneck that is rng leadership gains and its subsequent impact on squad capacity.

Originally posted by HawkPeft:

I think you gain leadership from force surrendering enemies as well, but that's just a hunch, sometimes leadership up just seems to pop up randomly.

this was what i was wanting to see. i had a suspicion i saw leadership level ups proc when i forced surrenders. but wanted to see if anybody else confirmed it

Originally posted by Rock:

Characters in the main characters unit tend to go up because of the mentor skill. Barnabas gives a similar ability as mentor but without the +10 level cap. So Barnabas can even train characters who have more leadership than he does (which is good because his leadership is bad).

So if you want to train a character in leadership, put them in the main characters unit and capture towns with the main character, until they are within 10 of the main character. Then switch them over to Barnabas' unit to keep progressing.

if barnabas really can level someones leadership above his own then it raises some interesting possibilities if they add in infinite arenas or level replays. could try raise super leaders with massive squad caps

i'd not recommend capturing with the MC squad. dude hasn't needed bonus leadership in any of my games so far. if capping stuff gives leadership to the whole squad would make sense to put all your future leaders in a squad with say jules (notoriously leadership starved for me) and cap with him

Originally posted by Sunricer:

What does leadership do for units that aren't leaders? Anything? I've seen units get leadership when winning normal fights or leveling up, so I was curious how that's different from ordinary stat increases. (Pops up as Leadership Up)

doesn't do anything for non squad leaders. im specifically thinking about existing squad leaders here and how to try increase those that have been rng screwed

[Rock]

The problem with someone like Jules is that their leadership is low, so mentorship doesn't kick in. Mentorship will make your units rise quickly in LDR as long as they are 10+ away from the squad leader. Your high LDR generics are all going to be only a few points away from Jules, so they won't really benefit from training under him.

[Stu -1]

Originally posted by Rock:

The problem with someone like Jules is that their leadership is low, so mentorship doesn't kick in. Mentorship will make your units rise quickly in LDR as long as they are 10+ away from the squad leader. Your high LDR generics are all going to be only a few points away from Jules, so they won't really benefit from training under him.

fair enough i didn't understand your first message. it sounded like you had said barnabus bypassed the 10 cap from the tech tech and could level soldiers leadership indefinitely. might explain why a solider with light affinity i was grooming to be a light cavalry squad leader isn't really improving in barnabus's squad. think his leadership is higher than barnabus's

[Rock]

Yeah Barnabus' ability bypasses the +10 cap. Although I don't know if its as strong as the Mentorship research ability. So you might get better milage assigning a trainee to a high LDR guy who is capturing. Then switching over to Barnabus when you get within 10 LDR of those high LDR guys. Because Barnabus can continue to train guys. Barnabus
ability only works on guys in his unit; Jules doesn't really benefit from Mentor or Mentorship.

Its also possible that Barnabus' ability does cap, and its just not clear in the ability description.

[Nigrescence]

Frankly I hate that certain units are REQUIRED unit leaders. I would love to make an elite squad of certain individuals while having a supporting cast of generic units.
But that's just me.

[Rock]

I 100% agree. I want to put the "retainer" inside of the unit she protects. Would be nicer if we could use the story characters as either leaders or followers. I could see locking the main character to lead a unit, but would be good if others could be support characters. Or at least most. Barnabus isn't even an officer. Why can't he be in my unit?

[Stu -1]

this issue gets made even worse when you have a locked leader character that sucks at gaining leadership *cough*sybil.jules*cough*. this is why i think leadership should be levelled by leading the squad. and grow like an experience bar. rather than rng.

otherwise they should to give us the option to not use these characters as leaders if they suck or if we just want to roleplay with them. like by putting the 'retainer' in with her ward.