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Tyrian Mollusk Sep 27, 2021 @ 4:53pm
"Enhanced stats are valid until the end of the season"
And in this week's Anvil edition of "Things no one ever wanted ever", we have metaprogress THAT RESETS. The only saving grace of metaprogression is that eventually we have ground the game into the actual game we purchased, and are free to play with everything the way it's supposed to be. TEMPORARY metaprogression would be a sick, disgusting perversion of game design that insults customers and wastes their time on meaningless re-grinding of things already accomplished for nothing but to try and force us to spend more time with a single game than we want to. So called "Battle Passes" and seasonal re-grinding are a blight on gaming.

Temporary metaprogression transforms rewarding into unrewarding! It's a slap in the face, and I am in disbelief that you actually spent time on this over making slow-fire and melee weapons less terrible on controller, which was a serious need in the previous playtests.

How much WORSE is the game going to be when it releases? The game has a good base feel. Please don't ruin it with sick stuff like this. Make it better to play. You want your customers to spend time with your game because they want to, not because you contrived some sick manipulation to try and control your customers leisure choices outside the product they paid you for.
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L3610N_Actual Sep 30, 2021 @ 8:26am 
Totally agree, was my point on their official discord too.
For this the base game needs at least be free2play. Expection the seasons being like CoD Warzone where every 5th is free and inbetween only granted for paid season pass.
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Ginjii Raishin Sep 30, 2021 @ 9:08am 
I'll still be buying, they're obviously testing and trying stuff. You sound like yotur wildly upset over non finalized changes and the way you word it is so melodramatic that I refuse to take you seriously. Like, have you been outside in the past few months? Try breathing a bit. Lmao
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Tyrian Mollusk Sep 30, 2021 @ 1:02pm 
You can attack me for it if you want, but regrinding metaprogress is a horrible thing, and I'm extremely disappointed seeing the game that's probably at the top of my wishlist push such a radically negative, anti-player design choice. This is obviously a serious game direction and not mere "testing and trying stuff" and players don't make a strong case, the game will be forever sandbagged with this terrible idea, and players will be stuck with a metaprogress treadmill that has zero upsides for them.

The ONLY thing I want from metaprogression is to have it over and done with. It's better not even to have this kind of metaprogression if it's going to discard your investment periodically and set you back to the starting line.
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Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG Oct 2, 2021 @ 8:02am 
Yeah, not every game has to be a tryhard grindfest where you'll be punished for not playing often enough.
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CarboniteIV Oct 2, 2021 @ 10:10pm 
Originally posted by Tyrian Mollusk:
You can attack me for it if you want, but regrinding metaprogress is a horrible thing, and I'm extremely disappointed seeing the game that's probably at the top of my wishlist push such a radically negative, anti-player design choice. This is obviously a serious game direction and not mere "testing and trying stuff" and players don't make a strong case, the game will be forever sandbagged with this terrible idea, and players will be stuck with a metaprogress treadmill that has zero upsides for them.

The ONLY thing I want from metaprogression is to have it over and done with. It's better not even to have this kind of metaprogression if it's going to discard your investment periodically and set you back to the starting line.


They said they're open to changes. Try spreading your idea around and get others to chime in instead of being whiny. And, if no players care about it as much as you do, you lose, majority wins. But, if you REALLY want to see that change, this tone is not going to help you. You can catch more flies with honey, rather than vinegar.
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Luck Six Oct 3, 2021 @ 7:07am 
Indeed, having only a season pass to unlock heroes is so off-putting that I can only keep playing a treasure Hunter who likes it better :steamthumbsdown:
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ReaperLord Oct 3, 2021 @ 9:59pm 
Agreed, this is a terrible idea. Resetting persistent stats in a roguelite just ruins the progression of the game for no reason. Removing various characters is also annoying, but this is even worse. I hope the devs trash the idea of resetting persistent upgrades.
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Tyrian Mollusk Oct 4, 2021 @ 1:06pm 
Not just progression upgrades. They're clearing the rare drops you've collected as well.

The only way this is even remotely palatable for a game is by having a non-season league where things never get reset and all your season earnings go there once the season ends. If Diablo 3 or Path of Exile had tried to just reset everything each season, they would never have gained traction.
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Ginjii Raishin Oct 5, 2021 @ 4:57am 
Originally posted by Tyrian Mollusk:
Not just progression upgrades. They're clearing the rare drops you've collected as well.

The only way this is even remotely palatable for a game is by having a non-season league where things never get reset and all your season earnings go there once the season ends. If Diablo 3 or Path of Exile had tried to just reset everything each season, they would never have gained traction.
Says you.
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L3610N_Actual Oct 5, 2021 @ 5:01am 
Originally posted by Ginjii Raishin:
Originally posted by Tyrian Mollusk:
Not just progression upgrades. They're clearing the rare drops you've collected as well.

The only way this is even remotely palatable for a game is by having a non-season league where things never get reset and all your season earnings go there once the season ends. If Diablo 3 or Path of Exile had tried to just reset everything each season, they would never have gained traction.
Says you.

Have to agree. Most people i know won't regrind every season.
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Wakipai Pero #PLAYGG Oct 22, 2021 @ 7:05pm 
Yeah, like with all due respect, something like this is a deal breaker for me. Imo, ANVIL would be a great game to play casually and slowly grind everything, and come back to once in a while, because I don't have a lot of time to play these days. But if it's going to reset my progression every season, it's just not for me.
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kknd Nov 3, 2021 @ 6:50pm 
Originally posted by Vox_Noctem:
Originally posted by Ginjii Raishin:
Says you.

Have to agree. Most people i know won't regrind every season.
It's a dealbreaker for me as well. The reasons to do such a 'continuous wipe' system are all negatives. I do not enjoy wasting my time, and such setups are exactly that.:raven:
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Ghost Nov 10, 2021 @ 5:05pm 
*sighs* im really sick of this business model ruining games for the sake of making a buck. An there are so many morons that will cry and defend the "free" model. Based off this they dont and wont have a buy option unless it nickle and dime non-sense. Count me out...
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Taimatsu Nov 10, 2021 @ 6:58pm 
Its like they want their game to fail a SECOND TIME. I would not regrind things I already grinded for and I want my upgrades to be permanent.
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Ghost Nov 10, 2021 @ 7:37pm 
Originally posted by Taimatsu:
Its like they want their game to fail a SECOND TIME. I would not regrind things I already grinded for and I want my upgrades to be permanent.


This is why i ask for a sold flat price. We dont need a flood of stupid free games, just make a solid good game.
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