Someone is selling vroid model edits on deviantart

[TheSpiderKing]

So, I get the rules for vroid models. Say you can sell the data (aka the c++ files). But, based on how the TOS for vroid does not specify you can sell the models. Someone on deviantart is trying to twist the rules vroid has for the models provided.

https://www.deviantart.com/axelcode/art/MMD-AX-STYLE-BASE-V2-P2U-DL-928350343

Does anyone know how to report this user to the vroid staff?

[Turtle]

Uhhhh. AFAIK, they're not breaking any ToS. The only thing Pixiv doesn't permit is using Vroid Studio models to create something that can compete with Vroid Studio iirc. Have you never seen the numerous Vroid Studio models available for sale on Booth.pm? Because there are a lot of those. And Pixiv *owns* Booth.pm. (Pixiv being the company that developed Vroid Studio, fyi.) There's someone on Sketchfab who sells models made solely with the presets (some pieces seem to have come from the sample avatar trio, which have their own ToS) and claims to have made them in Blender.

But this artist on DeviantArt you accused of breaking the Vroid Studio ToS... Doesn't seem to actually be breaking the ToS. Pixiv is very likely well aware that people sell models made in Vroid Studio, because as I mentioned before, a lot of artists sell Vroid Studio models on Booth.pm. Pixiv has not issued any statements about people not being allowed to sell Vroid Studio models. Pixiv has not reworded the ToS. I think you might have partially misunderstood the English ToS that Pixiv provides for Vroid Studio.

[Gale]

Ah, the MMD community, scamming since 2010. Never changes.

[TheSpiderKing]

Originally posted by Bea:

Ah, the MMD community, scamming since 2010. Never changes.

Ain't that the truth. After, how the tda model was handled. An that creator said not to edit the model. Yet the community did anyway . I'm honestly surprised the vroid devs allow mmd ports. Since, that community isn't well bright. Since, the vast majority of the community can't animate or rig models.

Lets just hope the vroid devs restrict what the models can be used for. Cause, there to good to be ruined by the mmd community. Like other, non tda bases. That become tda edits . Which is annoying since, most mmd users don't credit where they got the models from .

[Turtle]

You do realize that Vroid Studio was at least partially developed with MMD users and VRChat users in mind, yes? That's why Pixiv included very easy to understand ToS conditions that are essentially stapled to the exported VRM file. So people can be absolutely certain when a model is allowed to be edited or redistributed and can't claim ignorance.

[TheSpiderKing]

Originally posted by Turtle:

You do realize that Vroid Studio was at least partially developed with MMD users and VRChat users in mind, yes? That's why Pixiv included very easy to understand ToS conditions that are essentially stapled to the exported VRM file. So people can be absolutely certain when a model is allowed to be edited or redistributed and can't claim ignorance.

Ok, I'm gonna stop you right there. First, the quote on quote the tool was made for mmd and unity users is a lie. You do realize there is no option to export pmx models from the tool correct? Assuming, the vroid software could export pmx models. Most pmx rigs including the tda rig. Is based on 2013 rigging standards. An have not caught up to what unity sdk 3 , or unreal engine 5 rigging standard have introduced.

If anything exporting vroid models to mmd. Just gives the mmd models a worse rig, and the quality tends to be worse. Since, mmd is a 2008 program. An is continued to be on life support by low end effects. That, has not improved in 7 years . Besides, minor texture edits.

The only mmd users who use this are from what I can tell. People who bought or download a vrm (unity) to pmx (mmd) conversion tool. Which, hardly is worth the time developing since, the mmd scene is actually shrinking .

The vroid staff would benefit more time using there time and resources . Making a purchased program dedicated to vrm model creation and not support the aging rigs and shaders for mmd. Since, the mmd rigs will never beable to support or benefit from model exports that can not utilize the newer shaders ported over to a old animation engine. That has not seen any drastic improvments in well over a decade since, mikumikumoving.

If anyone is gonna be ignorant. Right now you heavily fit that bill. Since, you don't know what you're talking about.

[Turtle]

Originally posted by dionnrunk1993:

If anyone is gonna be ignorant. Right now you heavily fit that bill. Since, you don't know what you're talking about.

I was saying that people who would edit TDA models would sometimes claim "Oh, I was unaware that TDA doesn't allow model edits." I was not calling YOU ignorant.

Anyone who wants to use pieces from other models should ALWAYS ensure that the artist allows that.

I lurked many, many MMD groups on DeviantArt over the years. I lurked YouTube and Nico Nico Douga. I know how bad some people were about crediting where pieces came from, and editing models without permission.

You seem to have had some bad experiences with the MMD community. That's understandable, but this particular person on DeviantArt that you posted appears to have followed the terms of use set by Pixiv. With all due respect, I genuinely think you might have misunderstood the wording of the Pixiv ToS for using Vroid Studio. It looks like they may have rewritten the guidelines recently to clear up any ambiguity. The terms are now very clear and concise.

https://vroid.com/en/studio/guidelines

[TheSpiderKing]

Originally posted by Turtle:

Originally posted by dionnrunk1993:

If anyone is gonna be ignorant. Right now you heavily fit that bill. Since, you don't know what you're talking about.

I was saying that people who would edit TDA models would sometimes claim "Oh, I was unaware that TDA doesn't allow model edits." I was not calling YOU ignorant.

Anyone who wants to use pieces from other models should ALWAYS ensure that the artist allows that.

I lurked many, many MMD groups on DeviantArt over the years. I lurked YouTube and Nico Nico Douga. I know how bad some people were about crediting where pieces came from, and editing models without permission.

You seem to have had some bad experiences with the MMD community. That's understandable, but this particular person on DeviantArt that you posted appears to have followed the terms of use set by Pixiv. With all due respect, I genuinely think you might have misunderstood the wording of the Pixiv ToS for using Vroid Studio. It looks like they may have rewritten the guidelines recently to clear up any ambiguity. The terms are now very clear and concise.

https://vroid.com/en/studio/guidelines

Believe, me a bad experience or run ins with the mmd community would be the biggest understatement of the centery. Most of the users can't animate, can't rig assets, take credit of other users works, repost stolen files, cry pitty when people like me who wanted credit for the work I/ others put into 3d model rigs, animations, and 3d models .

Honestly, I'd hate to see Pixiv work get treated like tda, ybb, or sour models. I really do thing vroid should be a purched program to support the devs. Ignoring most mmd users would never pay and would rather pirate the assets .

The tos really should not allow reselling of ported assets within the mmd community. Since, it's just gonna be vocaloid edits. Unless, some people make ocs and never credit vroid as the software used to make the assets. Which, is very common on deviantart.

Because, the mmdc is pretty toxic . Excludding the nsfw scene. Which seems more mature than the voaloid users. The tos with vroid really should try to prevent the models from being mistreated and over used to kingdom come. That these assets lose there appeal and charm.

Just give the mmd scene a few months or some and deviantart will be over flowed with edits from vroid . Assuming people use the vrm to pmx tool someone made.