Zed is overpowered

[Vandragorax]

So.... been playing with a friend a lot, before and after the latest patch where weapons got nerfed.

I have to say, you didn't really need to nerf weapons, what you need to nerf is Zed. She is overpowered as &*£$ seriously!

We were on floor 1... the first floor. I was Carti and I had +40% dmg bonus on my char sheet, which seemed high. My friend was Zed and had +60% from passive upgrades. Fine.

Now, as soon as he started killing stuff, his damage bonus shot up to 180%!!!! ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY! ON MAP ONE!

I don't know what the hell is going on. We did a whole bunch of testing things and firstly, Zed's ulti boosts damage WAY too much, it's like +100% dmg or something insane.

Secondly, when Zed was killing enemies, her damage stat went up by 2% each kill up to something like another 120% or so. I don't know why, there's nothing on her character that says this is an effect so it's very confusing.

All I can say is that once my mate gets Zed a rocket launcher, whole rooms die in one shot! Over and over. All other characters feel SUPER BAD compared to Zed.

I really think you need to look at some of these damage numbers and do some buffs to chars which are supposedly heavy weapon users yet can't do damage to save their lives (literally). It's boring to play with my friend when he plays Zed because his damage just skyrockets so high.

I've resorted to playing Sweeper just so that I don't have to care about my damage and just go buffing the turrets instead. Trying to play as any Heavy weapon user is just pathetic compared to Zed.

[Mymyamiaou]

they just nerfed her, along with many other heroes

[Vandragorax]

Yes I am aware, I wrote this based on gameplay tonight, after the patch. Zed is still OP.

[Operator]

yeah lets nerf everything by 50-80% and maybe increase enemy damage right?

[Vandragorax]

Originally posted by Wen she try BBC 4 the first time:

yeah lets nerf everything by 50-80% and maybe increase enemy damage right?

Nobody said that. What I'm pointing out is how ridiculous Zeds damage bonus gets compared to all other heroes who feel underwhelming in comparison. I'd rather they buff all the other heroes so they can be played in a dps role as an alternative to Zed.

The latest patch definitely helped balance out most of the heroes with turrets which is great. Zed just still flies off miles ahead of everything in terms of dps. Give her a rocker launcher and whole rooms of bugs die in one shot over and over.

[lpzedu]

Originally posted by Vandragorax:

Originally posted by Wen she try BBC 4 the first time:

yeah lets nerf everything by 50-80% and maybe increase enemy damage right?

Nobody said that. What I'm pointing out is how ridiculous Zeds damage bonus gets compared to all other heroes who feel underwhelming in comparison. I'd rather they buff all the other heroes so they can be played in a dps role as an alternative to Zed.

The latest patch definitely helped balance out most of the heroes with turrets which is great. Zed just still flies off miles ahead of everything in terms of dps. Give her a rocker launcher and whole rooms of bugs die in one shot over and over.

By checking blaze's chip numbers I would imagine he is even stronger than zed, but then I play him and noppers, zed is better. And If not better, more confortable to use, what kinda makes her better

[Coro, the Spinful]

Originally posted by Vandragorax:

Secondly, when Zed was killing enemies, her damage stat went up by 2% each kill up to something like another 120% or so. I don't know why, there's nothing on her character that says this is an effect so it's very confusing.

Zed's passive, Mad Shred, temporarily increases her damage when she kills things. I don't know all the places you can read ability info, it might not be available in the pause screen, but it definitely is explained in the character select screen's expanded info.

[Foxly]

Originally posted by C0deR0gue:

Originally posted by Vandragorax:

Secondly, when Zed was killing enemies, her damage stat went up by 2% each kill up to something like another 120% or so. I don't know why, there's nothing on her character that says this is an effect so it's very confusing.

Zed's passive, Mad Shred, temporarily increases her damage when she kills things. I don't know all the places you can read ability info, it might not be available in the pause screen, but it definitely is explained in the character select screen's expanded info.

Yup it's in the pause/inventory menu, Zed is supposed to be one of the strongest heavy weapon users. Her trade off is lower wit, defense trade offs for damage, and less map wide impact on abilities. I think she's fine in the roster. If you build any of the characters off of their strengths then they'll shine. Tbh with the weapon nerfs, buffs would be nice for some of the characters.

*Edit* The first floor can also be ez cleared with light weapons on normal, getting to the core on normal up when red buffed enemies show up makes me thankful Zed can sideline them.

[Vandragorax]

Right, so I found the passive where it says exactly what I described: kill enemies to get more damage.

I still stand by my point that this makes her totally OP and all other heroes pretty much worthless. No other hero can compare in damage, even if you factor in building around active skills or whatever. The other 'builds' for other heroes strengths just don't shine in the same way that Zed does. As I said, give her a rocket launcher, she can clear entire rooms over and over, hold off entire waves in a doorway all by herself. NO OTHER HERO CAN DO THIS. The closest that can come now is the Sweeper IF you can get turrets into a choke point then he can buff them into some pretty good damage.

I have now tried playing about 15 games with my friend on normal mode, playing a different 'Heavy' hero each time. Even with their gimmicks, they all feel like pea shooters compared to Zed.

Something has to change.

[Artan]

Originally posted by Vandragorax:

Something has to change.

I cannot resist saying - Only your opinion because it is simplistic and wrong sadly - even though that makes me a bad man! :D (I am sorry!)

Anyway.

Originally posted by Vandragorax:

No other hero can compare in damage, even if you factor in building around active skills or whatever.

Zed is pure DPS and nothing else. What she has in damage she lacks in Wit and Support. Given all she can do is DPS, that is what she is good at!

Originally posted by Vandragorax:

The other 'builds' for other heroes strengths just don't shine in the same way that Zed does. As I said, give her a rocket launcher, she can clear entire rooms over and over, hold off entire waves in a doorway all by herself. NO OTHER HERO CAN DO THIS.

You try repairing a generator with Zed, boosting a turrets fire rate with Zed, repairing a broken turret that is being overrun with Zed, Slow enemies in a choke point with Zed, heal a team-mate with Zed, buff a team mate with Zed.

She cannot do any of this unlike the others who all have other different base stats, passives, actives and ultimate's.

What your are saying would be akin to saying the heal character is OP because they can heal as and I quote

"NO OTHER HERO CAN DO THIS"

As such I think your reasoning is wrong as you are obviously valuing DPS over other things and deciding this is the most important factor when that is your opinion and not at all factual.

Originally posted by Vandragorax:

The closest that can come now is the Sweeper IF you can get turrets into a choke point then he can buff them into some pretty good damage.

I have now tried playing about 15 games with my friend on normal mode, playing a different 'Heavy' hero each time. Even with their gimmicks, they all feel like pea shooters compared to Zed.

What you are saying here is:

"The character designed as pure DPS that clearly has the highest DPS - has the DPS and this is shocking"

I do not understand why you are surprised when this is clearly what they have been designed to be!

The game is also cooperatve and not competitive and so you are not complaining in regards to an unbalanced character destroying the balance of competitive PVP. You are just moaning that you do not agree with the character design.

If Zed's DPS focus and lack of anything else pains you that much - don't play Zed and your issue is fixed!

[Tohac]

Bro your swinging at the wrong mechanic. Pocket Rocket is OP on everyone. It needs its explosion radius and knock back tuned down. Meanwhile the fire rocket launcher needs radius tuned up

[Prowler™]

Most hero abilities are super strong...
Zed is a glass cannon with 0 defence and get many -def +neutral level up perks.
She is actually the weakest gunner, much weaker than Cartie, Commie and Blaze.
All she does is raw damage with no utility.
If you want to see OP try the communist.

[Foxly]

Originally posted by Prowler™:

Most hero abilities are super strong...
Zed is a glass cannon with 0 defence and get many -def +neutral level up perks.
She is actually the weakest gunner, much weaker than Cartie, Commie and Blaze.
All she does is raw damage with no utility.
If you want to see OP try the communist.

This, it's really hard to sprint across the map to save a geny as Zed but when Comrade does it, I have hot drop turrets and can smack the generator. I think Comrade is more of a punk rebel anarchist than a communist though