solitaire design flaw

[open]

you shnould be able to take cards from the stacks at the top

[Wimbledofy]

have you never played solitaire before?

[Considera Core]

Originally posted by Wimbledofy:

have you never played solitaire before?

Exactly. People keep saying this when it's not the rule.

[Soverine]

Originally posted by Wimbledofy:

have you never played solitaire before?

In the modern day, I'd wager most are exposed to Solitaire through it being prepackaged with some versions of Windows. Not sure about others, but the vista version definitely allowed you to pull cards back into the field from the top. It's kind of like how people dislike Minesweeper clones where you can hit a mine on turn 1, where the windows version explicitly made it so that doesn't happen.

[kevinshow]

I don't know some official rules but I've also played with rules where you can pull back from the top cards.

So it just really depends on which rules this game wants to follow, or even if it allows other new rules just made for this game.

That was always one benefit of any card game ... you can add or take away rules for your own way of wanting to play it.

[open]

Originally posted by Wimbledofy:

have you never played solitaire before?

i play google solitare, that rule is there, since i lost 3 times in a row to it and got frustrated

[Meneldal]

The biggest issue with this one is even if you play well, some games are impossible or require you to pick the right card to move when there's no indication of what's behind it.

Even getting a couple single move back would be a huge help.

Also if you're not getting to give minus points when turning the stack of single cards over (like you did in the old school windows solitaire), you might as well just show more than one card at once to make it less tedious to go over the pile again.

[Jirodyne]

Originally posted by Meneldal:

The biggest issue with this one is even if you play well, some games are impossible or require you to pick the right card to move when there's no indication of what's behind it.

Even getting a couple single move back would be a huge help.

Got to agree with this one. I used to play Solitaire a lot years ago. Played both the Window's 7 version heavily, and even download a program with a bunch of card games in it, including multiple different versions and rule sets for Solitaire with unique rules and situations of the board, including playing with 4 decks instead of just 1. Heck, I used to get out my physical deck of cards and play with that.

Being able to pull from the top has ALWAYS been a rule, in EVERY version I have ever played. And out of all the versions I have played of Solitaire, this is the most brutal and hardest I have ever seen, with many, MANY hands of this game being impossible. Where as even with the manual real life card game, I have never had as many issues or struggles at the one in this idle game.

So either every other version of Solitaire are on baby mode, or this game's version has been designed to be incredably hard on purpose, maybe even designed to specifically pick failed games specifically so you can never actual win and only go as far as you can before losing.

Cause right now, I am seeing some very impossible games. Such as the one I am currently in, where multiple numbers just don't exist. I can't progress, because to move the numbers I have on top of the cards, requires a number that does not exist in the remaining deck. Specifically there are 2 red jacks, and 2 black 9s. But there are no kings, no queens, the 1 jack is back, and the 1 10 is also black. So I literally can not progress, from the starting opening, because I can not move 4 of the cards, and the 3 downed cards on the right side, had a 2, 5, and ace. A very rarely seen failure after only like 7 moves. Never even seen such a failure with real cards before.

[Diviance]

It is not a normal rule to be able to pull cards back from the foundation. So yeah, you were actually playing easy mode on every other version.

[Considera Core]

I'm with Diviance on this one. I have never played a version where you can pull from the foundation piles.

[Meneldal]

Picking from the foundation isn't really a rule that is that important, but a guarantee that the games are winnable in the first place would be nice

[Gyrant]

I noticed this awkard little quirk also. The foundation is not only the goal in solitare, it is the only strategic element. Generally all digital adaptations of the game allow for this and generally everybody who plays with real playing cards uses it.

To make sure I wasn't mistaken, I just googled, "is it legal to move a card from the foundation in klondike". The first line of the results page is:
"Can you move cards from the foundation pile in Solitaire?
Yes!. This can help you place newly drawn cards into the Tableau. May 1, 2022"

I'm not saying your adaptation of solitare has to match the traditional way everyone has always played it. You also don't have the step-back mechanic built in, which is when you undo everything you have done since the last time you drew from the stack. As long as no illegal moves result, the rules allow it. Around 10% of deck states can't be completed by klondike rules and whatever way you choose to reproduce it only augments that percentage to make the player more likely or less likely to get the diamonds they are playing for. However, if you are making the decision to mutate the game your own way, you should have that stated somehow on the solitare screen, so players can know ahead of time what they can expect to spend the next few minutes of their time on.

[Khagan]

Originally posted by Gyrant:

the traditional way

I don't think this means what I think you think it means. (I wasn't taught the game by Mr Google, I was taught it by my grandmother. That's tradition.)

Originally posted by Gyrant:

Around 10% of deck states can't be completed by klondike rules

More like only 10% _can_ be completed. 'Patience' (yes, that's the name I know the game by) has always been a notoriously difficult game to win.

[open]

Originally posted by CryptoGrounds:

I'm with Diviance on this one. I have never played a version where you can pull from the foundation piles.

but it would make it so that theres more of a guarantee that you can win the game at 100% since its pretty annoying when you could be litteraly god of solitaire and then lose to something that you cant do anything about

[Snow]

I'd be happy if you could at least pull the last placed card from the top. I've had a few games where I went to put a card from the deck onto a card in the field, and had it magically whiz to the top, when I needed it in the field to move another card on stack.

[Rrezz]

Lmao since when could you pull from the top in solitaire?

That's more of a handicap in your favour than a rule.