Everyone has access to all units.

[Chicken Hunter]

The shared units is the only big issue I found. These guys made Gladius and while sure those units come from set factions, they have proven the ability to make unique factions. These factions become mild reskins thanks to the flavor skills, but the fact you can mix and match sadly just blandifies them. I played the tutorial thing where you were locked into a faction and then started a new game as tribunal and was saddened to notice that I had access to all the units I had in the tutorial.

Sadly the way the game is structured it won't last long as you can't just jump into a new game with another faction to get a new experience.

I want to love the game. It seems in many ways to be a step up from gladius. But I don't think I can buy it if it remains like it is now.

[Grifman]

They give you a choice - but you don't have to do that. Just play to your selected faction/affinity and it's strengths. Nothing is forcing you to research and build units aligned with other factions.

[Chicken Hunter]

Originally posted by Grifman:

They give you a choice - but you don't have to do that. Just play to your selected faction/affinity and it's strengths. Nothing is forcing you to research and build units aligned with other factions.

I know that. Doesn't change that we basically have 3 factions with minor reskins. Nor does it change that it will greatly lessen the amount of variety in opponents. They are crippling their own game buy having a better game already out there. What little new this one brings is beaten by their own game...

[SupremeMorpheus]

I think it's good, myself. You're still going to be producing your faction's units, as everyone else's are unlocked later. But it does give you the freedom to go into those units if you want one or two from another faction, like taking medics to heal your voice units or (once the full game comes out) building cr'la disciples to teleport your tanks across the map

[Cryptic]

I like it how it is

[verserixic]

Beyond Earth had terrible replay because of this very reason. Every game was a blended together mess distinguished by which color rock you specialized in. Distinct factions create far more engaging stories.

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by verserixic:

Beyond Earth had terrible replay because of this very reason. Every game was a blended together mess distinguished by which color rock you specialized in. Distinct factions create far more engaging stories.

that game had a whole what? like 10 units? yeah, no kidding it was like that.

this has a lot more variety.

no one says you have to use it all.

use what you want.

i prefer it this way.

[Ben]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Originally posted by verserixic:

Beyond Earth had terrible replay because of this very reason. Every game was a blended together mess distinguished by which color rock you specialized in. Distinct factions create far more engaging stories.

that game had a whole what? like 10 units? yeah, no kidding it was like that.

this has a lot more variety.

no one says you have to use it all.

use what you want.

i prefer it this way.

Still too samey. Would be alleviated if each faction leader had at least one unique unit per tech tier or two...for human, cybernetic and voice techs.

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Ben:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

that game had a whole what? like 10 units? yeah, no kidding it was like that.

this has a lot more variety.

no one says you have to use it all.

use what you want.

i prefer it this way.

Still too samey. Would be alleviated if each faction leader had at least one unique unit per tech tier or two...for human, cybernetic and voice techs.

Just use the faction units that you have. It's not that difficult. That's what I do. I play as the undying soldier and I use exclusively human type units. If I want to get like one or two mercenary units as I consider them, I can. But since I've been building up for the human units, I don't really have a lot of capability of paying the upkeep of the other types of units. I don't know why people have such an issue with this. Self-control is a real thing

[Chicken Hunter]

Originally posted by Ben:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

that game had a whole what? like 10 units? yeah, no kidding it was like that.

this has a lot more variety.

no one says you have to use it all.

use what you want.

i prefer it this way.

Still too samey. Would be alleviated if each faction leader had at least one unique unit per tech tier or two...for human, cybernetic and voice techs.

It isn't going to sink in, this cryptic guy is plain retarded. He does not understand the it is still 3 types not unique units for the what? 9 factions? I get you can't make gladius levels of unit variety from the get go but 3 sets with no unique units... come on....

[verserixic]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Originally posted by verserixic:

Beyond Earth had terrible replay because of this very reason. Every game was a blended together mess distinguished by which color rock you specialized in. Distinct factions create far more engaging stories.

that game had a whole what? like 10 units? yeah, no kidding it was like that.

this has a lot more variety.

no one says you have to use it all.

use what you want.

i prefer it this way.

BE had like 40 player units. Let's take a look at Zephon's unit count and... uh oh.

Anyway the direct comparison isn't really the point. The problem with both is the shared unit pool mechanics being more wishy washy than more rigid unique factions. It's detrimental to the narrative of each playthrough even if you play as a "disciplined" supporter of a single faction.

[Casino]

That's one of the big reasons I'm on the fence about Zephon. That being said there are things I quite like about it as well. Seems like the kind of game I'll hold off on buying at release so I can observe reactions and see what kind of DLC they'll be looking to develop for it.

[Cryptic]

Originally posted by Chicken Hunter:

Originally posted by Ben:

Still too samey. Would be alleviated if each faction leader had at least one unique unit per tech tier or two...for human, cybernetic and voice techs.

It isn't going to sink in, this cryptic guy is plain retarded. He does not understand the it is still 3 types not unique units for the what? 9 factions? I get you can't make gladius levels of unit variety from the get go but 3 sets with no unique units... come on....

dude are you kidding? the game has plenty of units available. just use what you want. no one says you have to use everything.

good god. have some self control and maybe don't use that word to insult people. irony.

you want to be limited to a few units, fine, but having the option to hire them is fine as it is. i use the human type units exclusively, and the ai use their chosen faction's units just fine. i have the option to get a few other units if needed.

what is so bad about that?

[Chicken Hunter]

Originally posted by Cryptic:

Originally posted by Chicken Hunter:

It isn't going to sink in, this cryptic guy is plain retarded. He does not understand the it is still 3 types not unique units for the what? 9 factions? I get you can't make gladius levels of unit variety from the get go but 3 sets with no unique units... come on....

dude are you kidding? the game has plenty of units available. just use what you want. no one says you have to use everything.

good god. have some self control and maybe don't use that word to insult people. irony.

you want to be limited to a few units, fine, but having the option to hire them is fine as it is. i use the human type units exclusively, and the ai use their chosen faction's units just fine. i have the option to get a few other units if needed.

what is so bad about that?

Every faction becomes the same except for very small almost insignificant changes.
The AI barely seems to use this system so effectively you have 3 factions to fight but vs players you can be sure you will be seeing the same few units.

[Ben]

Originally posted by Chicken Hunter:

Originally posted by Cryptic:

dude are you kidding? the game has plenty of units available. just use what you want. no one says you have to use everything.

good god. have some self control and maybe don't use that word to insult people. irony.

you want to be limited to a few units, fine, but having the option to hire them is fine as it is. i use the human type units exclusively, and the ai use their chosen faction's units just fine. i have the option to get a few other units if needed.

what is so bad about that?

Every faction becomes the same except for very small almost insignificant changes.
The AI barely seems to use this system so effectively you have 3 factions to fight but vs players you can be sure you will be seeing the same few units.

This.
If every leader had a small set of unique units on top of everything else, then it would've been much better.
Hoping DLCs will fix this.

[Haron]

Originally posted by Chicken Hunter:

The shared units is the only big issue I found. These guys made Gladius and while sure those units come from set factions, they have proven the ability to make unique factions. These factions become mild reskins thanks to the flavor skills, but the fact you can mix and match sadly just blandifies them. I played the tutorial thing where you were locked into a faction and then started a new game as tribunal and was saddened to notice that I had access to all the units I had in the tutorial.

Sadly the way the game is structured it won't last long as you can't just jump into a new game with another faction to get a new experience.

I want to love the game. It seems in many ways to be a step up from gladius. But I don't think I can buy it if it remains like it is now.

True, faction system right now looks like very cheap version of gladius, this is a step backward... Hope devs will see this, cos most of the players feels the same.