Why are Japanese gay games always written by a woman?

[toughnails]

It's disrespectful and hurts representation.

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There's so much wrong with your post and you misconstrue what I say. So I'll only address one thing. Many people play these games for entertainment and don't think or care that deeply about the stuff you complain about. Some of the stereotypes you people complain about are literally the only reason why people are attracted to these games. They play the game, have fun. Move onto the next game.

But when people like you show up and complain about stereotyping and other people here complaining about fetishizing all it does is make people think more negatively about you and other people like you.

In your attempt to stop one stereotype you create a new one. One that involves guilt tripping, gas-lighting and trying to shame others into doing what you want.

[Manfri]

Originally posted by -:

There's so much wrong with your post and you misconstrue what I say. So I'll only address one thing. Many people play these games for entertainment and don't think or care that deeply about the stuff you complain about. Some of the stereotypes you people complain about are literally the only reason why people are attracted to these games. They play the game, have fun. Move onto the next game.

But when people like you show up and complain about stereotyping and other people here complaining about fetishizing all it does is make people think more negatively about you and other people like you.

In your attempt to stop one stereotype you create a new one. One that involves guilt tripping, gas-lighting and trying to shame others into doing what you want.

you're only repeating points I've addressed here.
And again, I don't personally think this game is an issue. You're still talking about it like I do.

If people are attracted to a game for stereotypes like having a big softie character or a cool uncle character, more power to em, I love tropes like that. But tropes that, say, assume the sexual position of a gay man based on his feminine traits, are pervy as ♥♥♥♥. You have to acknowledge how creepy that is, right? If a straight woman were to search for a game specifically because of her preconceived notions about that? When she's not even mlm? If you can't see how creepy that is, it says more about you then it does about the community.

N again with the text-book attempts at invalidating someone's opinions on something based on perceived sensitivity. I've seen nobody guilt-trip you, having read this entire forum, though you are literally ignoring the opinions of someone based off of tone

They're also not trying to control your actions, as I mentioned before, only explain why they're uncomfortable with them

And as I said, the negative opinions on the LGBT community aren't there cos some kid complained on the internet, and the fact that people expressing their discomfort with something gives you a negative opinion of them speaks volumes to your character.

[aliciarune675]

Originally posted by -:

I don't know why people can't process this it's just a game for entertainment. It's like the LGBTQ community can only find value in their life by trying to control other peoples lives and tell them what they can or can't do with their work.

They talk about how they care about how gay people are represented, yet all they do is bring their own negative representation by trying to shame & guilt-trip people who have no negative intentions.

If any of the people here genuinely cared about this as much as they claim they do, they would've went on to make their own game with the things they claim should be in games. But no, their aspirations go as far as to trying to tear down other peoples work because they're too lazy to make one of their own. If boys love genre was fundamentally changed then their initial core audience would be lost. I don't want to play a game that talks about the issues gay people face. I play video games for entertainment.

When you protest and try to blame-shift people like this, you're just causing more people to hate the LGBTQ.

Edit: To add to all of this. Look at how many people think you guys are being misogynistic. All you did was cause people to hate you more, no matter what argument you make. You guys are responsible for a negative representation of gay people. Maybe don't try to judge other people when you're hypocrites who do far more damage.

Whoah, whoah, whoah, what kind of post is this? Uh, this really doesn't sound right to me, especially the middle long paragraph. First off, I don't get how the op or users agreeing with the are being misogynist. I mean yeah, I don't think women can't make LGBT stories. That part, I don't agree with. But this is true. hardcore yaoi fans do fetishize gay men and what makes it worse is when they love yaoi but don't support LGBT people. I come from a place that have people who do this, have experienced this, or have shown proof. I've seen the problematic stories that can come from the yaoi genre. The op isn't just being over sensitive.

But your post really is a bit much. So, you're saying people will hate LGBT people because they may have problem with certain stories or those who write about then? To me, that's just wrong and really over the top. Kind of sounds like your saying LGBT people should just be silent about the problems in some LGBT stories, especially yaoi. I do agree, not every LGBT story needs to focus on the issues of what LGBT face, but your statement about that also feels really wrong to me. It's a problem that you need to understand. You don't need it in literature, but you can't just be ignorant about it because it's something that depresses you. LGBT people go through a lot of crap, and honestly most stories who dwelve into this are the better ones. However, there's nothing wrong with reading non drama stories. It's fine. I do it all the time, wanting just an happy ending or good relationships, but I'm also not ignorant about the problems real LGBT face.

I do not think the op is trying to tear this game down. This is their opinion and is fact because certain women do this. Also, LGBT people who speak out why a story may irk them isn't them trying to put out negative representation. They want real and good rep. Glorifying rape for example, which many manga do, is not a good representation of LGBT people.

[aliciarune675]

Originally posted by -:

There's so much wrong with your post and you misconstrue what I say. So I'll only address one thing. Many people play these games for entertainment and don't think or care that deeply about the stuff you complain about. Some of the stereotypes you people complain about are literally the only reason why people are attracted to these games. They play the game, have fun. Move onto the next game.

But when people like you show up and complain about stereotyping and other people here complaining about fetishizing all it does is make people think more negatively about you and other people like you.

In your attempt to stop one stereotype you create a new one. One that involves guilt tripping, gas-lighting and trying to shame others into doing what you want.

Uh your first paragraph is not fully true. Many people don't mind reading on such issues and I've seen stories that touch upon this do very well. Yes, there are those who don't want to read about drama or bad things and that's fine, but you're really generalizing her saying many don't want that.

And sorry, but stereotyping can be bad. It's just fact. From LGBT to ethnic people, it's pretty bad. I'm not talking about character stereotypes though.

It kind feels like your saying LGBT should be quiet about the issues they have with LGBT literature, games etc. They are the people being written about and honestly, they have a right to express if something may bee wrong with the story. Same with those who just want tog et out if they liked the story or not.

As for this game, I do not think it's problematic (I brought the Jast version), and I am female, but I also know the problems with certain yaoi stories and how women do fetishize gay men. This is a fact.

If what I'm saying isn't true about your post then that's fine. I'm someone who struggles a bit with getting things, but your posts irked me honestly (Again, it's just my opinion.)

[ChaiPuppy]

man how this has gotten out of hand fellas

[Kavrick]

Originally posted by ChaiPuppy:

man how this has gotten out of hand fellas

Some people think they should be the arbiters on who can make what content and others think that's dumb, that's the TL;DR of this entire insane thread.

[TAI]

And this is why Japan has a HARD time releasing their translated BL games to the west. It's because of butt hurt people like you. This is a BL game, catering to (mostly if not all)fujoshis in Japan and their international audience. If you don't like it, leave. Complain elsewhere. Leave my fandom alone! D<
I'm so glad Japan is based and don't care for sjws like you. >> Seriously get more cultured in understanding the different type of games Japan has, cos otherwise people who like this would look at you like some babbling fool.
Also I want to see you try and say that in the BL novel community and manga, the fujoshis there will rip you to shreds.

[TAI]

Originally posted by Kavrick:

Originally posted by ChaiPuppy:

man how this has gotten out of hand fellas

Some people think they should be the arbiters on who can make what content and others think that's dumb, that's the TL;DR of this entire insane thread.

Yup, and here I am just happy this game finally got release officially to the west and I can buy it and support the creators. I waited nearly 9 years for this to get here officially, Yet I see the person who started this thread kink shame the fujoshis and fans, yet we don't kink shame them.. >>; This whole thread is a stupid mistake.

[Manfri]

Originally posted by aliciarune675:

As for this game, I do not think it's problematic (I brought the Jast version), and I am female, but I also know the problems with certain yaoi stories and how women do fetishize gay men. This is a fact.

Awarded this person twice cos they made my point a hundred times more succinctly and clearly than I did lmfao

[Manfri]

Originally posted by Kavrick:

Originally posted by ChaiPuppy:

man how this has gotten out of hand fellas

Some people think they should be the arbiters on who can make what content and others think that's dumb, that's the TL;DR of this entire insane thread.

Yeah I agree that controlling who can make what content is insane. I've barely seen anyone argue that tho, having read the entire discussion, mostly just OP

[Manfri]

Originally posted by TAI:

And this is why Japan has a HARD time releasing their translated BL games to the west. It's because of butt hurt people like you. This is a BL game, catering to (mostly if not all)fujoshis in Japan and their international audience. If you don't like it, leave. Complain elsewhere. Leave my fandom alone! D<
I'm so glad Japan is based and don't care for sjws like you. >> Seriously get more cultured in understanding the different type of games Japan has, cos otherwise people who like this would look at you like some babbling fool.
Also I want to see you try and say that in the BL novel community and manga, the fujoshis there will rip you to shreds.

Here's another example of the societal gaslighting I was talkin bout earlier. Labelling people SJWs for expressing issues. N man just cos something's common somewhere doesn't make it ok? As I've said countless times in this thread, I don't see much issue with this particular VN and I'm part of the fandom, but fujoshis are still gross and them threatening me doesn't change that. Imagine calling people "butt hurt" cos they don't wanna be someone's fetish and standing with people who are so butt hurt by that that they'd "rip you to shreds"

We all understand this is common in Japan, that's literally what everyone's talking about here.

Gay guys aren't a kink. You're not being kink shamed. I'm not a kink

I'm really happy this game is getting released to steam now though, gods know I've been pissing off all my friends talking about how hyped I am for it

[TAI]

Originally posted by Manfri:

Originally posted by TAI:

And this is why Japan has a HARD time releasing their translated BL games to the west. It's because of butt hurt people like you. This is a BL game, catering to (mostly if not all)fujoshis in Japan and their international audience. If you don't like it, leave. Complain elsewhere. Leave my fandom alone! D<
I'm so glad Japan is based and don't care for sjws like you. >> Seriously get more cultured in understanding the different type of games Japan has, cos otherwise people who like this would look at you like some babbling fool.
Also I want to see you try and say that in the BL novel community and manga, the fujoshis there will rip you to shreds.

Here's another example of the societal gaslighting I was talkin bout earlier. Labelling people SJWs for expressing issues. N man just cos something's common somewhere doesn't make it ok? As I've said countless times in this thread, I don't see much issue with this particular VN and I'm part of the fandom, but fujoshis are still gross and them threatening me doesn't change that. Imagine calling people "butt hurt" cos they don't wanna be someone's fetish and standing with people who are so butt hurt by that that they'd "rip you to shreds"

We all understand this is common in Japan, that's literally what everyone's talking about here.

Gay guys aren't a kink. You're not being kink shamed. I'm not a kink

I'm really happy this game is getting released to steam now though, gods know I've been pissing off all my friends talking about how hyped I am for it

Bruh.... This is a game that is literally catered to Fujoshis(like all BL games are). Hence why all the main known BL games are mostly written and drawn by women. That can also be said about Yaoi Manga and novels, I've only seen a few actually written by men.. And boy do they make their stories pretty wild....

The kink I'm talking about is some, not all are in an open relationship and what else they're into that I don't give an F about. I support gay men and women, but I don't like the specialty treatment they're getting in the west. But I'll avoid adding more political bull here, coz I play these games out of entertainment. >.> Please don't put words in my mouth.

And I'm just tired of the west bashing Japan and their artists because of this stupid grp that gets butt hurt so easily over everything. This genre is not meant as any type of representation for ANY dang movement. It is purely entertainment meant for fujoshis or fudanshis(ya there are straight men that actually like this) to enjoy and destress.

The story focus heavily on the plot and how it develops with all the main characters. Anything gay is literally last on the list because that's not the focus. It's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bonus. Hence this game can actually stand alone without any BL scenes or gay relationships, like Togainu no Chi. Therefore both this game and TnC had their anime release. This is why I prefer BL games made in Japan and not the west because their focus is flipped. >>

Steam NEEDS to change the tags to keep confusion outta here. "BL" should be a tag period like "Otome".

[Manfri]

Originally posted by TAI:

Originally posted by Manfri:

Here's another example of the societal gaslighting I was talkin bout earlier. Labelling people SJWs for expressing issues. N man just cos something's common somewhere doesn't make it ok? As I've said countless times in this thread, I don't see much issue with this particular VN and I'm part of the fandom, but fujoshis are still gross and them threatening me doesn't change that. Imagine calling people "butt hurt" cos they don't wanna be someone's fetish and standing with people who are so butt hurt by that that they'd "rip you to shreds"

We all understand this is common in Japan, that's literally what everyone's talking about here.

Gay guys aren't a kink. You're not being kink shamed. I'm not a kink

I'm really happy this game is getting released to steam now though, gods know I've been pissing off all my friends talking about how hyped I am for it

Bruh.... This is a game that is literally catered to Fujoshis(like all BL games are). Hence why all the main known BL games are mostly written and drawn by women. That can also be said about Yaoi Manga and novels, I've only seen a few actually written by men.. And boy do they make their stories pretty wild....

The kink I'm talking about is some, not all are in an open relationship and what else they're into that I don't give an F about. >.> Please don't put words in my mouth.

And I'm just tired of the west bashing Japan and their artists because of this stupid grp that gets butt hurt so easily over everything. This genre is not meant as any type of representation for ANY dang movement. It is purely entertainment meant for fujoshis or fudanshis(ya there are straight men that actually like this) to enjoy and destress.

The story focus heavily on the plot and how it develops with all the main characters. Anything gay is literally last on the list because that's not the focus. It's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bonus. Hence this game can actually stand alone without any BL scenes or gay relationships, like Togainu no Chi. Therefore both this game and TnC had their anime release. This is why I prefer BL games made in Japan and not the west because their focus is flipped. >>

Steam NEEDS to change the tags to keep confusion outta here. "BL" should be a tag period like "Otome".

You've added nothing new here. Fujoshis are gross. These games catering to fujoshis doesn't make the issues they cause any less gross. Just cos it's not intended as representation doesn't excuse *mis*representation and fetishization. I'll repeat, I'm not a kink

Also who mentioned open relationships at all?

And again, I'm not bashing the writers or the game and I love this game, I'm just recognising a wider societal issue, especially in Japan. I'm not bashing the country or limiting its creative freedom, and I've already said I really enjoy the content, I just want people to listen when gay men tell them to stop being pervy

People aren't confused thinking that this exists for gay guys, so why are there women here? They're just disgusted that this is created for women. Because they're disgusted that women are fetishizing them

[TAI]

Originally posted by Manfri:

Originally posted by TAI:

Bruh.... This is a game that is literally catered to Fujoshis(like all BL games are). Hence why all the main known BL games are mostly written and drawn by women. That can also be said about Yaoi Manga and novels, I've only seen a few actually written by men.. And boy do they make their stories pretty wild....

The kink I'm talking about is some, not all are in an open relationship and what else they're into that I don't give an F about. >.> Please don't put words in my mouth.

And I'm just tired of the west bashing Japan and their artists because of this stupid grp that gets butt hurt so easily over everything. This genre is not meant as any type of representation for ANY dang movement. It is purely entertainment meant for fujoshis or fudanshis(ya there are straight men that actually like this) to enjoy and destress.

The story focus heavily on the plot and how it develops with all the main characters. Anything gay is literally last on the list because that's not the focus. It's a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bonus. Hence this game can actually stand alone without any BL scenes or gay relationships, like Togainu no Chi. Therefore both this game and TnC had their anime release. This is why I prefer BL games made in Japan and not the west because their focus is flipped. >>

Steam NEEDS to change the tags to keep confusion outta here. "BL" should be a tag period like "Otome".

You've added nothing new here. Fujoshis are gross. These games catering to fujoshis doesn't make the issues they cause any less gross. Just cos it's not intended as representation doesn't excuse *mis*representation and fetishization. I'll repeat, I'm not a kink

Also who mentioned open relationships at all?

LOL, ya I hate the fujoshis that only like MxM and can't see a straight relationship as ok, while forcing others to like this MxM ship that should be canon to them, and all while forcing people to read/play/watch BL stuff. That's the type of fujoshis I dislike(not all of us are the same), but yanno what they pay for the fandom and buy all the merc that'll support the creators. Hence they make more into this BL genre.

I've said my point already, especially about how the west is trying to shoehorn their toxic cultural views on to Japan. You probably gloss that over trying to reply to me quickly. This thread is literally what it is. You just don't get it.

And I've only listed those as an example, learn to read.
I'm already thinking you're a troll trying to sound intellectually smart about things, when in fact you don't even know what's really going on with Japan and this issue. Btw they hate this.

This thread should just be closed because all it's doing is showing hate towards the product. I'm all up for listening to people, but if it's the same thing over and over again without them actually playing the game and just instantly hate it. I just tune those out. The same song and dance.

[Manfri]

Originally posted by TAI:

Originally posted by Manfri:

You've added nothing new here. Fujoshis are gross. These games catering to fujoshis doesn't make the issues they cause any less gross. Just cos it's not intended as representation doesn't excuse *mis*representation and fetishization. I'll repeat, I'm not a kink

Also who mentioned open relationships at all?

LOL, ya I hate the fujoshis that only like MxM and can't see a straight relationship as ok, while forcing others to like this MxM ship that should be canon to them, and all while forcing people to read/play/watch BL stuff. That's the type of fujoshis I dislike(not all of us are the same), but yanno what they pay for the fandom and buy all the merc that'll support the creators. Hence they make more into this BL genre.

I've said my point already, especially about how the west is trying to shoehorn their toxic cultural views on to Japan. You probably gloss that over trying to reply to me quickly. This thread is literally what it is. You just don't get it. :bbtcat:

And I've only listed those as an example, learn to read. :bbtcat:
I'm already thinking you're a troll trying to sound intellectually smart about things, when in fact you don't even know what's really going on with Japan and this issue. Btw they hate this.

This thread should just be closed because all it's doing is showing hate towards the product. I'm all up for listening to people, but if it's the same thing over and over again without them actually playing the game and just instantly hate it. I just tune those out. The same song and dance. :bbtcat:

As I've said time n time again, I love this game. I've played it f*ck knows how many times and I know exactly what's actually in the game. I'm not trying to bash the writers here, nor am I trying to control what they put out there. I've said that before. Can't criticise me for going in circles when you're ignoring what I've said. No hate is being directed here

I'll ignore you claiming I'm a troll cos that again just seems like a way of dismissing someone raising concerns, n is generally unhelpful to any of this. I'm more than aware of the issues in Japan with LGBT acceptance, and I don't think it's a "toxic cultural view" to want that to change. Especially when Western culture isn't accepting of the LGBT yet either. What's more toxic is people facing ostracizion or being seen as fetishes because of their sexuality.

I've read this entire thread as I've been subscribed to the discussion and, honestly, the claim that this thread is trying to shoehorn their beliefs anywhere is pretty baseless. Most people have repeated the same thing, that being that they're fine with this content, we should just be aware of fetishization. And most of those people have been met with "But you can't control what people make" which wasn't even their point in the first place. OP said something a bit out of pocket, but most responders have corrected it, me included.

As always, belittling someone for their frustrations is feeding into the problem. "You just don't get it" while displaying ignorance. "Learn to read" despite me responding to your points in order and ignoring the ones that added nothing to the conversation. etc. etc.

You're not tuning something out because it's been repeated time and time again. You tuned it out at the start, so people have had to repeat themselves