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Mm, the point I was making was not that women can't consume gay content, just that they shouldn't fetishize gay men. There's a significant difference and I'm not trying to police what media other people consume.
I understand some straight women consuming gay stuff cos, well, if you like dudes, and there are two attractive dudes, go figure. I just don't want that to have implications for gay men who're just tryna live their lives. Cos no-one's interested in being your fetish n all that jazz
If a video game was enough to cause someone to dehumanize people IRL, then they have bigger problems that have nothing to do with the game. Do you go around killing people IRL because you did it in a game?
Yeah, as I said, it's not an inherent problem with pornographic and gay content, it's mostly to do with the fandom and societal influence. I'm a fan of this game personally, I'm just tryna point out the need to be mindful and, though most people already are without having to consciously think about it, there's still a problem with fetishization in some of these fandoms
Yee like thats really what i'm just trying to say about this game, no matter your gender or sexuality, this is really just a piece of media meant to be enjoyed, and the sexuality or gender of the creator doesnt matter either. Just appreciate it for what it is jhhhggnggnhh
I do hope that there will be more realistic representation of gay relationships and there genuinely are some good ones already. I'd honestly love to read them.
Why don't you go write it then. You talk about this as if people simply writing stories is immoral, as if they're attacking people by writing literal fiction. 'Needs to be addressed' - Addressed by who and in what way? 'tropes pushed on characters'? They're fictional.
Do you have any evidence that happened due to video games, or any sort of media? You're making the same argument evangelicals made about video games back in the day. What I'm getting heated over is the idea that people making fictional media are somehow responsible for whatever happens in society. It's a tired, failed idea that's simply an attempt to find a scapegoat for whatever issue you have.
Even ignoring all of that though, no one is required to write the fiction you'd prefer, nor is someone doing anything wrong by writing whatever fiction they want.
Read what I've actually been arguing this entire time. I'm not blaming games, I love these games. I'm blaming some of the toxic fandoms. The games are great, I want more representation. I just want the *people* to stop being pervs. Again, don't know what you're getting at here n you continue to make some wild assumptions
Ok now this slightly rubbed me the wrong way for some reason...
"It's a yaoi/BL game - it's not intended for a gay male audience"
So wait, are you saying these games are meant to be exclusively for females? That... seems kinda ridiculous to me. The ONE genre of VN that gay guys get which actually somewhat represents them (even if it's a fetishized, over-exaggerated version of them)... and they're not supposed to enjoy or feel included by it?
Back to the topic, I get the OP's frustration, but honestly I'm just glad for any sort of representation. And I'm pretty sure the writing level for BL/yaoi in general must have improved since the last 12/13 years. This is an ooooold game, so we can't hold it (or any of the other old BL VNs) to today's standards.
This was an incredibly aggressive and childish reply to a post that I thought was very insightful and well-explained. Yes, it's fiction but in a culture like Japan where LGBT+ is still taboo to this day, repeated negative and unrealistic representations can still be harmful.
Calm tf down.
^ Firstly, re-inserted my entire sentence rather than taking that small part out of context and attacking it like you did.
I wasn't talking about self-inserting. I have no idea where TF you got that from, as it's NOT what I was talking about.
I meant in terms of general unrealistic/potentially harmful representations of gay men, rapey scenes, whatever problems these very old BL/YAOI VNs have, hopefully those kind of issues have improved in the last 12 or 13 years.
I'm not saying those issues were there just because of female writers, but they're a result of society/Japanese outlook on LGBT+ in general, and maybe PARTLY because that's what the writers believed the audience wanted.
So no, at no point was I talking about self-inserting, but go off and continue being rude.