Why are Japanese gay games always written by a woman?

[toughnails]

It's disrespectful and hurts representation.

[Kavrick]

Originally posted by Robin:

Originally posted by Ladyblade:

no♥

so you're just homophobic, got it.

I dont think someone who hates gays would want to masturbate to them, mi amigo

[Robin]

Originally posted by Ladyblade:

Originally posted by Robin:

so you're just homophobic, got it.

Yes, because jerking it to men having sex is EXACTLY like saying gays should go to Hell and die for being inferior. Are you usually this smart or did you take IQ-enhancing lessons before coming to this thread?

Originally posted by Kavrick:

Originally posted by Robin:

so you're just homophobic, got it.

I dont think someone who hates gays would want to masturbate to them, mi amigo

Wow its like, there's different types of homophobia like for instance, opently admitting to treating them like fetish material.

[Kavrick]

Originally posted by Robin:

Originally posted by Ladyblade:

Yes, because jerking it to men having sex is EXACTLY like saying gays should go to Hell and die for being inferior. Are you usually this smart or did you take IQ-enhancing lessons before coming to this thread?

Originally posted by Kavrick:

I dont think someone who hates gays would want to masturbate to them, mi amigo

Wow its like, there's different types of homophobia like for instance, opently admitting to treating them like fetish material.

I'm a gay man and honestly this game in particular, has way better gay representation than games made by gay men. It's almost like it doesn't matter who makes it or who enjoys it, but the quality of the content should be held among everything else, rather than pointing at people and saying that they cant enjoy something because they're not a gay guy, very sad.

[tamagorou]

Originally posted by Robin:

Wow its like, there's different types of homophobia like for instance, opently admitting to treating them like fetish material.

When on Earth did this happen? "I like seeing gay guys have sex" in no way, shape or form correlates to "gays are only good for having sex". Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall educated on Twitter High. You think you're so woke and progressive by pointing out that, since you like seeing one thing, it means it costs their humanity and autonomy since I didn't specify and I "have no right to" consume... bad yaoi games.

Again, I repeat, are you usually this smart or did you take IQ-enhancing lessons before coming to this thread?

[Robin]

Originally posted by Ladyblade:

Originally posted by Robin:

Wow its like, there's different types of homophobia like for instance, opently admitting to treating them like fetish material.

When on Earth did this happen? "I like seeing gay guys have sex" in no way, shape or form correlates to "gays are only good for having sex". Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall educated on Twitter High. You think you're so woke and progressive by pointing out that, since you like seeing one thing, it means it costs their humanity and autonomy since I didn't specify and I "have no right to" consume... bad yaoi games.

Again, I repeat, are you usually this smart or did you take IQ-enhancing lessons before coming to this thread?

Women fetishizing gay men is the same as men fetishizing lesbians lmfao

[tamagorou]

Originally posted by Robin:

Women fetishizing gay men is the same as men fetishizing lesbians lmfao

Yes, because men definitely are taught as they grow up that their only purpose in society is to have children and stay at home being compliant. Stop using blatantly false equivalence to push some made-up point that girls seeing gay dudes ♥♥♥♥ = men fantasizing about having sex with lesbians.

I'd like to inform you, also, that your IQ-enhancing professor is definitely a sellout. I don't think you've increased it by a single point at all.

[Robin]

Originally posted by Ladyblade:

Originally posted by Robin:

Women fetishizing gay men is the same as men fetishizing lesbians lmfao

Yes, because men definitely are taught as they grow up that their only purpose in society is to have children and stay at home being compliant. Stop using blatantly false equivalence to push some made-up point that girls seeing gay dudes ♥♥♥♥ = men fantasizing about having sex with lesbians.

I'd like to inform you, also, that your IQ-enhancing professor is definitely a sellout. I don't think you've increased it by a single point at all.

love that you're telling me what homophobia is

[tamagorou]

Originally posted by Robin:

love that you're telling me what homophobia is

i said ♥♥♥♥♥ where

[CockOfDuty]

Very interesting discussion that has evolved into a general Japanese Visual Novel LGBT debate. First of all, I completely disagree with OP - gender is not a problem, literally anyone can write anything. I also think people should enjoy the game for what it is, as, remember, it came out in 2012, USA did not even have gay marriage back then, Japan was even less LGBT friendly.

However, people who say there is literally NO issue with LGBT in the game clearly did not pay attention to the plot/characters. Out of 6 main characters we have 3 who are clealry written as "straight" (Aoba, Kojaku, Mink) - Mink had a wife, duh, and Kojaku Aoba are clearly stated to have never been attracted to a man before - so "straight goes gay" trope because the guy is super hot or what not. Clear and Ren are not human, so sexuality is not even applicable to them. And the sole exception is Noiz who is the only character heavily implied not to have his first time with a man and is pretty eager to get it on with Aoba even when he does not "love" him yet.

And BECAUSE Noiz is an exception, Aoba calls him "weirdo", "new age kid", "strange". "guy playing for THAT team", even "disturbing" I think at some point, though do not quote me on this one - I played this some time ago. Yeeeeah... So the only guy pretty much stated to be gay gets a treatment like this.

My point is: the game is not written with modern LGBT values in mind and it is not an issue with the game or a writer - it is simply a reflection of Japanese society's attitudes in 2012 (though not the worst offender by a landslide). It is still a great game and one of the best VN ever made, pretty much a "must-play" for BL fans, so just enjoy the game for what it is, it is a consumer product and was never meant to be groundbreaking or portray LGBT in a realistic fashion

[dynahblackmon]

I think it cool because you can see it from female sise

[dynahblackmon]

But a Male point of veiw would be nice

[Nova]

yaoi/bl is often made my women, for women. not that hard to comprehend lol

[nancyjaybee]

Anyone in this thread smoke weed?

[tamagorou]

Originally posted by nancyjaybee:

Anyone in this thread smoke weed?

i do!!!!

[Basurita]

Originally posted by Robin:

Originally posted by Ladyblade:

I'm a fujoshi and I beg to differ. Stop being so butthurt that women write gay porn better than you do. Girls just do it better, I fear. ;]

Fujoshi's literally are gross but go off worstie

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