Nazi Game?

[Klesk 🌈 Нептун 🇺🇦]

The premise of the game is tasteless.

Originally posted by Partisan:

A game about playing as the Third Reich, attempting to "turn the tide of war" ? Who the hell wants to turn the tide of war for Nazi Germany? The real ordeal of constructing those "Wunderwaffen"saw many forced laborers from concentrations camps worked to death in the closing days of WW2 when they had to construct V2s in mine shafts in Thuringia ...

This is true. The whole direction of this game is wrong. You "manage" a forced labour facility.
What's next? A "concentraion camp manager"? I know, here are Nazis who'd like to play such a game. Here on steam. You can read what they write even here in this discussion. They come with arguments like "But XY did this and that and that was similar." No, it was not.
Read about Forced labour under German rule during World War II[en.wikipedia.org]
and Forced labor in Nazi concentration camps[en.wikipedia.org].
Read about Extermination through labour.

The developers of this game have to add a lot of context if this shouldn't become a Nazi Game.

[Szymik]

Project Wunderwaffe, as you may have probably know, is a strategy game. The 'miracle weapon' itself is of interest to historians, journalists, and directors from all over the world.

Wunderwaffe has shaped books (The Hunt for Wunderwaffe for example), myths, facts, films, and documentary series. There is also a game.

Wunderwaffe is unrelated to any ideology. It brings you to the realities of World War II, the end of which is near.

[Klesk 🌈 Нептун 🇺🇦]

Originally posted by szymik:

Wunderwaffe is unrelated to any ideology. It brings you to the realities of World War II, the end of which is near.

I doubt it. the realities of World War II in the "Wunderwaffen"-project were forced labor and death. Does your game provide information about forced labor?

Thanks for your answer.

[Szymik]

Your concern is appreciated. Then you will have to see the game with your own eyes.

[Klesk 🌈 Нептун 🇺🇦]

Thank you for taking those concerns serious.

[SlenderKnirpZ]

Originally posted by Klesk 🇺🇦 ТБ2 🌈:

The premise of the game is tasteless.

Originally posted by Partisan:

A game about playing as the Third Reich, attempting to "turn the tide of war" ? Who the hell wants to turn the tide of war for Nazi Germany? The real ordeal of constructing those "Wunderwaffen"saw many forced laborers from concentrations camps worked to death in the closing days of WW2 when they had to construct V2s in mine shafts in Thuringia ...

This is true. The whole direction of this game is wrong. You "manage" a forced labour facility.
What's next? A "concentraion camp manager"? I know, here are Nazis who'd like to play such a game. Here on steam. You can read what they write even here in this discussion. They come with arguments like "But XY did this and that and that was similar." No, it was not.
Read about Forced labour under German rule during World War II[en.wikipedia.org]
and Forced labor in Nazi concentration camps[en.wikipedia.org].
Read about Extermination through labour.

The developers of this game have to add a lot of context if this shouldn't become a Nazi Game. [/quote]

Calm down dude.Yeah basicly you are "right".The game topic IS "problematic" and has a real tragedy or atrocities in World War 2 I know my history or the history of my country I am german.You feel offended by this game and call it out that's your right.But what ya wanna do now? Are you an SJW screaming to forbid,censor and cancel the whole damn thang?! Why would ppl play games like Wolfenstein or Hatred because it's cool to play as a evil villain xd. ME personly I am against censorship and cancel culture just sayin.Maybe the devs should brin on a huge trigger warning?

[Klesk 🌈 Нептун 🇺🇦]

Originally posted by Postrock 117:

Calm down dude.Yeah basicly you are "right".The game topic IS "problematic" and has a real tragedy or atrocities in World War 2 I know my history or the history of my country I am german.You feel offended by this game and call it out that's your right.But what ya wanna do now? Are you an SJW screaming to forbid,censor and cancel the whole damn thang?! Why would ppl play games like Wolfenstein or Hatred because it's cool to play as a evil villain xd. ME personly I am against censorship and cancel culture just sayin.Maybe the devs should brin on a huge trigger warning?

In Wolfenstein you don't play the villian. You play as a allied soldier fighting the nazis.
Hatred is completely different. Kinda Rampage, "Amoklauf", school shooter game.

If the Dev is interested in creating a game which is at least a bit appropriate towards the topic, he'd add a trigger warning, yes, and context. What is context? Textboxes describing the background of the "project" could add context. Not just the technical aspect. The criminal aspect. The people being killed by the nazis being responsible for the "project". The forced labor, the missiles on cities.
The game shouldn't reward you for imitating criminal behavior. We're not talking about satire games like Grand Theft Auto here. This is a serious issue and it should be treated that way.
The goal shouldn't be helping the Third Reich win.

What do you think about those ideas?

[平平无奇韩老魔]

给爷整笑了，尼玛自己头像顶个纳粹走狗为国父的国旗在这谴责别人做游戏是宣扬纳粹？属实给我整不会了，然后名字后面来个彩虹旗搁着叠buff呢是吧？

[Klesk 🌈 Нептун 🇺🇦]

Als wüsstest Du überhaupt, was ein Nazi eigentlich ist, Level 1 Chinese. Zu feige sein, die Diktatur im eigenen Land zu beenden und hier Schwachsinn verbreiten. China eifert dem sogenannten Dritten Reich ja fleißig nach mit seinen Konzentrationslagern für Uiguren. Passt lieber auf, dass Euch das nicht noch teuer zu stehen kommt.

[issssk]

Originally posted by Klesk 🇺🇦 ТБ2 🌈:

The premise of the game is tasteless.
This is true. The whole direction of this game is wrong.

Somebody here never noticed that Command and Conquer, Hearts of Iron, even Civilization all do the exact same thing. Or movies like "Man in the High Castle". And books etc.

[Klesk 🌈 Нептун 🇺🇦]

"somebody" (me) has noticed.

Originally posted by issssk:

all do the exact same thing.

- Command and Conquer, No. It's obviously fiction.

- Hearts of Iron, Yes. Unfortunately you can play the Nazi Wehrmacht. The Wehrmacht was responsible for many war crimes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht

- Civilization, Yes. The colonial crimes are being ignored as far as I know.

- Man in the High Castle, No. In a movie, you don't take action on your own. In a game, you do. Therefore it's hard to compare. Same goes for books.

[19[Kreuzfeuer]83⚫️⚪️🔴]

Originally posted by Klesk 🇺🇦 ТБ2 🌈:

The premise of the game is tasteless.

Originally posted by Partisan:

A game about playing as the Third Reich, attempting to "turn the tide of war" ? Who the hell wants to turn the tide of war for ♥♥♥♥ Germany? The real ordeal of constructing those "Wunderwaffen"saw many forced laborers from concentrations camps worked to death in the closing days of WW2 when they had to construct V2s in mine shafts in Thuringia ...

This is true. The whole direction of this game is wrong. You "manage" a forced labour facility.
What's next? A "concentraion camp manager"? I know, here are Nazis who'd like to play such a game. Here on steam. You can read what they write even here in this discussion. They come with arguments like "But XY did this and that and that was similar." No, it was not.
Read about Forced labour under German rule during World War II[en.wikipedia.org]
and Forced labor in ♥♥♥♥ concentration camps[en.wikipedia.org].
Read about Extermination through labour.

The developers of this game have to add a lot of context if this shouldn't become a ♥♥♥♥ Game. [/quote]
Calm down, special snowflake. You´re just one of those typical hypocritical subhumans who wants to surpress other opinions and world views than your own bizarre one, so please stop typing that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[19[Kreuzfeuer]83⚫️⚪️🔴]

Originally posted by Klesk 🇺🇦 ТБ2 🌈:

"somebody" (me) has noticed.

Originally posted by issssk:

all do the exact same thing.

- Command and Conquer, No. It's obviously fiction.

- Hearts of Iron, Yes. Unfortunately you can play the Nazi Wehrmacht. The Wehrmacht was responsible for many war crimes. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht

- Civilization, Yes. The colonial crimes are being ignored as far as I know.

- Man in the High Castle, No. In a movie, you don't take action on your own. In a game, you do. Therefore it's hard to compare. Same goes for books.

Oh, and the allies did nothing criminal? Like the Rheinwiesenlager or the bombing of Dresden,Berlin and Hamburg ? Or the soviets? Like dispersing, raping and murdering 12-14mio. eastern germans?

[Lomse 【-‿‿-】]

Lmao stop acting like a nazi and go back to facebook

[Shade]

Originally posted by szymik:

Your concern is appreciated. Then you will have to see the game with your own eyes.

one thing i might add , you can turn the game to a generic WW2 like scenario without using germany
There are people out there that still remember nazi death and working camps (they are old but still here) and they have families and friends who heard all the stories and saw the pictures of whole families that were destroyed

you can sidetrack the issue by simply changing it to a similar but unrelated reality ...
you could of course move the weapon development to the allies side
justa few suggestions

[Burggraf]

Originally posted by Klesk 🇺🇦 ТБ2 🌈:

The premise of the game is tasteless.

Originally posted by Partisan:

A game about playing as the Third Reich, attempting to "turn the tide of war" ? Who the hell wants to turn the tide of war for Nazi Germany? The real ordeal of constructing those "Wunderwaffen"saw many forced laborers from concentrations camps worked to death in the closing days of WW2 when they had to construct V2s in mine shafts in Thuringia ...

This is true. The whole direction of this game is wrong. You "manage" a forced labour facility.
What's next? A "concentraion camp manager"? I know, here are Nazis who'd like to play such a game. Here on steam. You can read what they write even here in this discussion. They come with arguments like "But XY did this and that and that was similar." No, it was not.
Read about Forced labour under German rule during World War II[en.wikipedia.org]
and Forced labor in Nazi concentration camps[en.wikipedia.org].
Read about Extermination through labour.

The developers of this game have to add a lot of context if this shouldn't become a Nazi Game. [/quote]



but having the Ukraine flag as PFP is also a fascist sign. Since Ukraines are Fascist.