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How did he 'take me down', he changed the subject completely to 'who created SecuROM' because I refuted everyone of his lies about Denuvo.
I understand this imaginary takedown suits your agenda, but come on
Oh man, you came back! The takedown was real, Denuvo is a scam, and here's the man to defend the scam of the hour!
Okay okay, so how do I get to interview with your boss at Irdeto? I know you're into defending scam artists and the like, and that's how you got your position with them, but I have to talk with the big scam man himself!
If you don't care then you're irrelevant. Those with a genuine issue are obligated to complain. This so called "infestation" should get as bad we see an "Overwhelmingly negative" review status. even press and game journalists should take notice. Down into the history books of controversies.
So you don't care and won't listen. And that's OK. This """cult""" as you keep calling it is trying to spread the word to people who will. If you won't listen then you're doing nothing to further the conversation and on top of that you're just insulting the people who have actual problems with the system that publishers keep pushing into their games.
I don't think "spread the word" is the appropriate word choice as much as "inform as many people as possible" in regards the subject. "Spread the word" actually makes people sound like a cult.
Actually, know what? Let's embrace the imagery. We're a cult. We have robes. We sacrifice people's blood to the anti-Denuvo gods, who will give us...
*checks*
...better performing games which are preservable...? Yeah, how deliciously evil!
One day you'll look back and realize how weird you sound, literally plotting to kill the ratings of a game because they DARE use software YOU and your fellow zealots disapprove of. Bleating your impotent rage at a software is one way to spend your free time I guess.
And the thing is that the anti-Denuvo crowd is just wasting their time by posting all the nonsense. Anyone who browses the forums has seen the same old recycled arguments about Denuvo over and over again. They're not changing anyone's mind on the subject either and more than likely are just getting people to "support" Denuvo instead because of them being annoyances in pretty much every game forum.
Proper Denuvo implementation has no affect on performance. It's been proven countless times. It's why you see testing scenarios so often rigged in ways so you can actually get a measurable performance difference. It's something no one would ever encounter in a real world situation, or would even notice an impact if they did. It's basically click-bait and fuels the fanatical unhinged behavior you so often see in these threads.
It's much easier to get someone to buy into the anti-Denuvo rhetoric when you can con them into believing Denuvo is killing game performance. They'll do whatever they can to make you a "believer". Lies, half-truths, extreme exaggerations, pure hyperbole, and so on.
Why do you think you so often see rigged testing environments, the latching onto bad implementations, ancient issues, and fluke outages? Or the constant fear-mongering to try and frighten folks into believing that all their games are going to expire or be taken from you? It's all done to manipulate people into believing that Denuvo is the worst thing in the world.
Trust your own experience on the matter. Have you ever actually lost a game on Steam to modern Denuvo? I sure haven't. I have Denuvo games dating back to 2015 and I can play them all without issue. There's literally never been a time where I wanted to play a Denuvo game and I couldn't. Is it killing my game performance? Nope. Is a minor online requirement to create an offline token a big deal? Nope. How many of you are going without an internet connection for weeks or months at a time? How many of you don't have phones? If stuff like that is an issue for someone then don't buy the game. Not everything is made for everyone.
Denuvo is here to stay for the foreseeable future, like it or not. The good thing is that it's easy to remove and pretty much everyone is removing Denuvo eventually from modern releases because of current Denuvo contracts.
You'll be sorry when Denuvo is gone, because that will likely mean a total shift in the way games are delivered to the consumer and that means streaming only. I'm sure you'll be wishing Denuvo was still there when that will inevitably happen.
I will say that I can sort of understand the complaints here because Denuvo was never originally in the title, but it's also the studio's right to decide how they want to protect their investments. If they just had a huge new content update and decided that they think it's best to protect that with Denuvo then good for them.
If you're unhappy about the situation and are eligible for a refund then take it. If not, then you should have had plenty of time to play the game and enjoy it. Rest assured, however, that Denuvo will be removed at some point. Likely within 6 - 12 months.
Review bombing or spamming the forums isn't likely to help your situation either. The contract is already signed and delivered, so the game is going to have Denuvo whether you like it or not for at least 6 months.
Your "off-topic" reviews won't count towards the aggregate score either and you'll have just wasted your time.
Incorrect. https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/282924-denuvo-really-does-cripple-pc-gaming-performance
Watch literally any benchmarking video rather than rely on anecdotal evidence.
It's more than just about performance but please do keep going off.
I had an SSD burn out on me thanks to it. We can keep posting anecdotals all day long if you want.
It isn't.
This will never come to pass due to the consumer base being less accepting of it. See: Google Stadia
Denuvo doesn't protect any games: it simply is a snake oil scheme by a malicious individual who wishes to bank off of the antiquated fears of game studio executives who have never touched a line of code in their entire lives.
Doesn't happen with every product. See: Metal Gear Solid V.
It makes headlines when controversies happen, and harms the overall stance of the publisher at hand. It's a message, and it's an exercise of what little power we have as consumers.
They count towards the overall aggregate on the Steam page, which means a lot for upcoming consumers.
What did you get by posting any of this? Brownie points with a con artist?
The subject was always about who created SecuROM, lmao.
DigitalWorks created SecuROM. Sony might have funded them and owned the product, but DigitalWorks did the physical work to make the DRM. The same DigitalWorks that was later bought out and became a part of Denuvo. Thus, the people who made SecuROM are part of Denuvo.
You ran away with your tail between your legs when you realised that there was no way to argue your way out of this corner, but I guess pride brought you back to try and talk your way out of it one last time.
2015 is not very long ago. A mere 8 years ago. Let's try again in a decade.
Just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen to others. You take your gaming devices to somewhere where there isn't internet and sooner or later you're going to run into issues with Denuvo-developed games.
Furthermore, many benchmarkers don't even bother with Denuvo-protected games, because the 5 activations per day limit bites your ass real quick when you're trying to test a game on a variety of hardware.
On the Steam Deck, the 5 activations per day are triggered by simply changing the Proton version to use when launching the game. And, you know, changing Proton versions is often a good way to troubleshoot issues with games on Steam Deck. I've run into the activation limit because of it, which meant for a whole day I couldn't play my legally purchased game.
You mean like what happened in 2021?
https://torrentfreak.com/denuvo-protected-games-rendered-unplayable-after-domain-expires-211108/
Sure, they fixed it. Fact of the matter is that people wanted to launch their legally bought games and they couldn't. Who's going to be around to fix it in 10 years? 20 years?
There are plenty of older games with now-defunct DRM schemes that can only be played by cracking them. No reason to believe the same won't be true of Denuvo eventually.
You mean like the performance issues that Digital Foundry pointed out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXZGCwAJpbM
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2019-devil-may-cry-5-pc-denuvo-protection-tested
But I'm sure some internet rando knows better than one of the most respected benchmarking groups out there.
Yeah no, pal. This is my first time to speak on the matter. If I notice degradation, I'll speak. Don't care you say? Nah rather ignorant! Or simply, unwilling to contribute. Awareness matters. Plot? No such thing, this issue will naturally garner attention. I just...observe.
Those that speak on matters and deliver critic are generously spending their time defending laymen. Be grateful.
That software ( Denuvo ) is part of the package, and therefore I refuse.
I tried installing and playing Chronicles of Riddick: Assault on Dark Athena a few years ago. I literally had to crack it to get it to even run. Why? Because it was "PrOtEcTeD bY sEcUroMmMmMm" and the devs didn't remove it before they stopped supporting it.