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[Rinocrosser]

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[🌟PIWCIO🌟]

You're writing terrible nonsense, what's the problem with you. The producer has the right to defend his property against thieves, Denuvo is for most Sunday pirates. Most of the players are not technically and programmatically well-educated people.

[Sterlander]

Originally posted by 🌟PIWCIO🌟:

You're writing terrible nonsense, what's the problem with you. The producer has the right to defend his property against thieves, Denuvo is for most Sunday pirates. Most of the players are not technically and programmatically well-educated people.

You say this as if Denuvo doesn't make the game an even bigger pirating target. Now people who pay for the right to play the game legally are gonna have far worse performance than people who stole it.

... So it just adds an even bigger incentive to steal it. Why pay $60 for it when you could get it for free AND it runs way better?

[ududy]

People have the right to know before they purchase a game if it has any sort of intrusive DRM scheme. Adding it after the fact is a ♥♥♥♥ move that no one caring about consumer rights should defend.

[gersen]

Originally posted by Rinocrosser:

Don't get me wrong, I have nearly all Bethesda games here, but there are several thoughts on why STARFIELD isn't a good way to support healthy industry.

Honestly it was more and more likely that, despite not being used on previous Bethesda RPGs, Starfield would use Denuvo. And as far as Bethesda games goes you have to wait a couple of months / years anyway for mods to fix all the broken mechanics and bugs, so not getting on day might be the best thing to do regardless of Denuvo.

[Dr. Minnericht]

You gotta respect their desire to help us save money in these uncertain economic times. Not only are they encouraging people not to buy Ghostwire anymore, but now that we can't trust them to not add DRM after launch, this will save us money on upcoming Bethesda releases like Redfall and Starfield. They won't let exorbitant Denuvo fees or lost revenue deter them from saving us money no matter the cost to their bottom line. Such altruism should be saluted.

[Bankai9212]

Both this and redfall will be on GamePass, even if it didn’t have antitamper no one wants to drop 70 bucks on a game. As for starfield, not sure how this game getting drm has anything to do with it. Since we don’t know who made the choice to add it. The fact it’ll be a buggy game would make more sense. Wont matter, it’ll still sell a ton of copies.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by Rinocrosser:

Originally posted by Sterlander:

... So it just adds an even bigger incentive to steal it. Why pay $60 for it when you could get it for free AND it runs way better?

Exactly, and the craziest part that Bethesda PAID for it, PAID to ruin the experience for 100% of their legal players, but not even mentioning it on the store page.

And some people are still defending them! :angry_yeti:

How did it ruin the game?

What gameplay effects does Denuvo have?
I run it on Gamespass and it's been pretty fun. Not sure how a DRM that doesn't affect gameplay would change my mind.

[MartyPG13]

"What gameplay effects does Denuvo have"

It has a demonstrable impact on game performance turning a playable experience into an unplayable experience on some PCs, or require the need to turn down resolution or settings or both, hence impacting on the gameplay experience of the game.

This is in addition to it being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ anti-consumer move.

[Barzenak]

I wish I could refund my purchase.

[Nanashi]

I mean I hope Starfield fails as much as the next person but that's just not going to happen.

Bethesda is going to keep milking everyone with Skyrim until Starfield actually releases and then this will pull off new sales records after which Bethesda will do the same with this new game as they did with Skyrim over the past ten years.

Denuvo or not unfortunately.

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Originally posted by Zefar:

Originally posted by Rinocrosser:

Exactly, and the craziest part that Bethesda PAID for it, PAID to ruin the experience for 100% of their legal players, but not even mentioning it on the store page.

And some people are still defending them! :angry_yeti:

How did it ruin the game?

What gameplay effects does Denuvo have?
I run it on Gamespass and it's been pretty fun. Not sure how a DRM that doesn't affect gameplay would change my mind.

I keep seeing this exact post everywhere I go and I don't know why people can't just google the answer at this point.

[Kaz Miller]

Originally posted by 🌟PIWCIO🌟:

You're writing terrible nonsense, what's the problem with you. The producer has the right to defend his property against thieves, Denuvo is for most Sunday pirates. Most of the players are not technically and programmatically well-educated people.

Denuvo is more like the mafia, they say that it would be a bad thing if somebody could play a video game for free, so the companies force that crap that affects the product that people bought legally.

[Zefar]

Originally posted by MartyPG13:

"What gameplay effects does Denuvo have"

It has a demonstrable impact on game performance turning a playable experience into an unplayable experience on some PCs, or require the need to turn down resolution or settings or both, hence impacting on the gameplay experience of the game.

This is in addition to it being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ anti-consumer move.

So are there any proof it affects performance in this game?

People who hate Denuvo will always claim it does but rarely be able to provide any good evidence.

Originally posted by Kaz Miller:

Denuvo is more like the mafia, they say that it would be a bad thing if somebody could play a video game for free, so the companies force that crap that affects the product that people bought legally.

I own plenty of titles with Denuvo. Not one of them is broken. I can download and install them and play it right away.
Not once have I been blocked from playing my Denuvo titles.

[Luna ~]

Originally posted by Zefar:

Originally posted by MartyPG13:

"What gameplay effects does Denuvo have"

It has a demonstrable impact on game performance turning a playable experience into an unplayable experience on some PCs, or require the need to turn down resolution or settings or both, hence impacting on the gameplay experience of the game.

This is in addition to it being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ anti-consumer move.

So are there any proof it affects performance in this game?

People who hate Denuvo will always claim it does but rarely be able to provide any good evidence.

Originally posted by Kaz Miller:

Denuvo is more like the mafia, they say that it would be a bad thing if somebody could play a video game for free, so the companies force that crap that affects the product that people bought legally.

I own plenty of titles with Denuvo. Not one of them is broken. I can download and install them and play it right away.
Not once have I been blocked from playing my Denuvo titles.

It does affect performance especially on lower end machines, the weaker the CPU you have the more noticeable it will be, Generally causing stuttering and hitching, sometimes no matter the machine IE RE8 it can get super super bad.
Most of these sometimes will go completely unnoticeable if its in a weaker game and or Your machine is strong enough to power through it, and or The company has decided to only do the DRM check upon Boot (lots of companies surprisingly dont use this one for some WEIRD ass reason which is funny because offline/disconnected sometimes you can end up with better performance)

I personally have not been locked out of any of my titles besides Once ever, Which was on Steamdeck, Which makes me feel bad for linux users because each Version of Proton counts as "Another PC" and even if you go back to an OLD version it still registers as another machine.
A normal Windows User however will not really notice the game lock out besides Maybe MGS V, MGS V and it being one of the Denuvo V1.0 that is still around still has lots of suffer problems.

Denuvo is a VM and VMs by definition always lower performance
also there is a lot of evidence of good chunk of developers hating denuvo because it causes a lot of problems https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/
as someone who has worked in the field usually Denuvo is forced on us by the publisher and higher ups which is awful because not only is a nightmare to work with which they DID on purpose btw so they can charge an extra fee to implement themselves, but its something a chunk of devs not a lot of their work might get affected on lower end machines and cause bad press.

Anyway moral of it is 90% of the time you will get anti denuvo topics mostly because lower end machine users already spend money on a game that is now ruining their experience and you get Pro denuvo most of the time because They are the "WORKS ON MY MACHINE" Crowd aka my machine can power through it so i have no performance loss

[AdolfGandhi]

You don't want Starfield because of Denuvo
I don't want Starfield because it's made by Bethesda

we're not the same