WTF IS THIS PLOT LMAO

[John Dota 2]

1. Captain Makarov Morozov threatens to kill your squad if you don't hand over your guns but runs off when you don't
2. Makarov Morozov rams your train with another train while being there personally to murder every czech specifically for whatever reason
3. Makarov Morozov personally shoots your commander while standing in front of his riflemen and runs off to his armored car with two machine guns that can finish remaining riflemen while tanking their calibers

[The Mogician]

Yeah, the gameplay is fine but the plot makes you scratch your head sometimes. Like I said in some previous posts, they made the Red Army feel like cartoon villains more than anything else. In the Red Army camp mission, apparently the Red Army were told to help the villages, recruit from the villages but also at the same time I quote Captain Langer "nothing short of genocide", it is almost as if killing all the villagers a la genocide style, is a good way of recruiting people. Not excusing any of the atrocities during the Russian Civil War, but I don't think going the hyperbole route for the plot is the way to go either.

[Skrain]

Originally posted by YouMustBeMythtaken:

Originally posted by Skrain:

The Soviets were perfectly content with working with the super duper evil Nazi's, they helped them carve up Poland. It wasn't until they got invaded suddenly they totally hate Nazi's and will save everyone.

The Soviet Union/The Red Army were about as Evil as evil gets. ♥♥♥♥ them, thank god their terrible brain dead ideology finally died in the 90's.

You think Communism is dead? My guy, visit a college in any western country. We are infected with it still, God help us.

Obviously the Soviet ideology of statehood is dead. It's never coming back. No amount of college students will bring it back.

[John Dota 2]

Originally posted by Antiga:

Geez, it's just a game. It's inspired by history just as much as some of those weird Hitler Hentai games or a game like Iron Harvest. The difference is Iron Harvest did it right, story wise - it's quite obvious which countries they are talking about, yet it's all behind a veil of actual fiction.
People taking stuff like this too serious while at the very start of the game it's explained it's a work of fiction. The devs explain their stance in some blog posts as well.

Either way, it does go to show this game would've been better off in an entirely fictional setting. Could've made it a lot more interesting gameplay wise as well, being unshackled by the limitations of the current setup. (Let's be honest, the only thing Iron Harvest really had going for it over something like Company of Heroes, were the steampunk contraptions.)

There is no excuse for story being ass it will always be a disadvantage no matter how many times you write its a fiction and not true or not focus at all (Historical RTS BTW). And how can it not be a disadvantage when the game you play has a railroaded plot as an only thing that it has going? It doesn't have deep battle complexity like mowas or call to arms. But it also had no meaningful plot or at least sensible. Crew and inventory management may be fine but I didn't play many hotel tycoons so maybe it too is a lackluster.

[qwerty55677]

Originally posted by catgirlforeskin:

Originally posted by ♀⛤WitchyWoman⛤♀:

I am just glad to finally see a game that does not paint Marxism/Leninism/Communism as good. The game is cast into the period when this evil movement grew and took hold in Russia and highlights their start on the genocidal path. Its about time the Reds got the same punishment the Nazi's did in gaming. Maybe it will teach some of these naive people in the current world fiasco, that worship and desire this crap, to do an about face. I will not hold my breath though.

communists gave you the freedom to type this comment and have those opinions, if it wasn't for their heroism during ww2, the world would be ruled by the Nazis

lmao by the time america entered the war britain was on the brink of defeat and japan was about to cut off their supply lines from india which woulda been their death sentence. Russia was slowly losing ground to germany and the only thing that slowed them was the russian winter. After britains defeat germany would have focused their full might on russia not to mention russia would have been getting invaded from their southern border by japan. America did not single handedly stop the Nazis but america did bail the allies out and without america all of europe and asia would have fallen

[Wade Wilson]

The Czechoslovak Legion were ordinary marauders. That's the whole story.

[Punished Lukaš]

Originally posted by Skrain:

Originally posted by catgirlforeskin:

communists gave you the freedom to type this comment and have those opinions, if it wasn't for their heroism during ww2, the world would be ruled by the Nazis

The Soviets were perfectly content with working with the super duper evil Nazi's, they helped them carve up Poland. It wasn't until they got invaded suddenly they totally hate Nazi's and will save everyone.

The Soviet Union/The Red Army were about as Evil as evil gets. ♥♥♥♥ them, thank god their terrible brain dead ideology finally died in the 90's.

Who was it that signed the Munich agreement, remind me please. Who carved Czechoslovakia?

Ah yes, it was POLAND and NAZI GERMANY that carved the country up lol.

People who discuss history here often forget who sucked Hitler's ♥♥♥♥ throughout the 30s. It was Polish marshal, thanks to whom we have this glorious photograph from his funeral in 1935, https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/6prenp/hitler_at_funeral_of_polish_chief_of_state/ and western european powers lol.

Sure, Stalin made a deal with Hitler to delay the war, but after he was rejected by United Kingdom and France who's great plan of interwar period was to push Germany east to destroy Soviet Union lol.

I find it doubly funny that people who cry about Red Army being evil as evil get are mostly descendants of people who took part in holocaust trying to whitewash their family history. I am not mad, I understand you. It is very hard to accept your grandfather was a mass murderer.

[Punished Lukaš]

Originally posted by Devil Dog:

Originally posted by YouMustBeMythtaken:

Lmao, not even a little. I remind you that Stalin helped Hitler kick the whole damn war off, and he was happy to let Hitler take over the world until Hitler attacked him. Also, Stalin and Kruschev both said, repeatedly, that without the Western Allies Russia never could have survived. Without the tanks, the trucks, the food, the fuel, the clothes, the guns, the ammo.

Good job cuz it's surprising how many ppl even in that 'motherland' don't know or don't want to know how WW2 played out and who the villains were.

Most people in the west dont know it either, they often forget that it was their countries that allowed Hitler to cause that war in a misguided wish that Hitler would annihilate Slavs and that only ubermensch would remain.

This backfired for them because Germans realised that France and Britain were far weaker than Soviet Union, so they dealt with them first.

Molotov - Ribbentrop was a product of British government rejecting an anti-nazi alliance, and Stalin not start a war against Germany without backup as he knew that it would take years to mobilise the army.

I mean there is a reason why Yugoslavia had bigger resistance movement than France, despite having a fraction of population. Politics, people in the west didn't see anything inherently wrong with Nazism, apart from Nazis attacking them. They were led by simmilar racial ideology, just instead of Germans, it was Anglo-saxons as the master race

[Punished Lukaš]

Originally posted by YouMustBeMythtaken:

Originally posted by catgirlforeskin:

communists gave you the freedom to type this comment and have those opinions, if it wasn't for their heroism during ww2, the world would be ruled by the Nazis

Lmao, not even a little. I remind you that Stalin helped Hitler kick the whole damn war off, and he was happy to let Hitler take over the world until Hitler attacked him. Also, Stalin and Kruschev both said, repeatedly, that without the Western Allies Russia never could have survived. Without the tanks, the trucks, the food, the fuel, the clothes, the guns, the ammo.

I remind you that this is not true. Stalin attempted to make an alliance with United Kingdom, France in Poland in 1938. to defend against possible German aggression.

This alliance was rejected by the British who believed that Hitler could be persuaded to only attack eastwards (as his lebensraum included mostly Eastern Europe) and pushed for Germany making pals with Poland to make it happen for a 5 years at that point (if Pilsudski didn't die in 1935. this would probably happen).

Unfortunately for the British and French, Stalin was not stupid enough to not understand why they are dragging their feet in diplomatic discussions, and knowing that he couldnt take Germans on their own, made a deal with them to delay the war.

It is pretty stupid to think Soviet Government did not know Hilter would attack them, as Germany's central ideological goal was destruction of Soviet Union. The 2 years they got they used quite well to prepare for war economy.

Hitler on the other hand understood that France was very weak and could be destroyed fairly quickly, and British could be isolated to their island, so he attacked them first to not fight on two fronts

[Punished Lukaš]

Originally posted by Antiga:

Geez, it's just a game. It's inspired by history just as much as some of those weird Hitler Hentai games or a game like Iron Harvest. The difference is Iron Harvest did it right, story wise - it's quite obvious which countries they are talking about, yet it's all behind a veil of actual fiction.
People taking stuff like this too serious while at the very start of the game it's explained it's a work of fiction. The devs explain their stance in some blog posts as well.

Either way, it does go to show this game would've been better off in an entirely fictional setting. Could've made it a lot more interesting gameplay wise as well, being unshackled by the limitations of the current setup. (Let's be honest, the only thing Iron Harvest really had going for it over something like Company of Heroes, were the steampunk contraptions.)

Imho, Iron Harvest was in every way inferior to company of heroes. The gameplay was jank, ttk too slow. the mechs were jank, story was nonsensical

[Punished Lukaš]

Originally posted by Wade Wilson:

The Czechoslovak Legion were ordinary marauders. That's the whole story.

I find it interesting that they skipped the whole looting and taking part in pogroms part of the game lol

[Punished Lukaš]

Originally posted by Torzhen:

1. Captain Makarov Morozov threatens to kill your squad if you don't hand over your guns but runs off when you don't
2. Makarov Morozov rams your train with another train while being there personally to murder every czech specifically for whatever reason
3. Makarov Morozov personally shoots your commander while standing in front of his riflemen and runs off to his armored car with two machine guns that can finish remaining riflemen while tanking their calibers

The plot is it was made in butthurt belt of Europe

[Punished Lukaš]

Originally posted by YouMustBeMythtaken:

Originally posted by Skrain:

The Soviets were perfectly content with working with the super duper evil Nazi's, they helped them carve up Poland. It wasn't until they got invaded suddenly they totally hate Nazi's and will save everyone.

The Soviet Union/The Red Army were about as Evil as evil gets. ♥♥♥♥ them, thank god their terrible brain dead ideology finally died in the 90's.

You think Communism is dead? My guy, visit a college in any western country. We are infected with it still, God help us.

Lmao I was wondering when I'd run into "muh educated people lean left" comment lmao

[Lanani]

Closing this thread as this forum is not a place for political/historical discussion. For information on relation of RL events to the game's plot, please see the thread pinned by the developers.