Sect member managment

[Pavlus]

I have a question for all of you who play as a sect leader.
1) Does the sect member traits matter much? Should I kick out all selfish ones, and keep those with loyal to sect traits?
2) There are two types of disciples you can have: proper named NPC and nameless backup ones. As far as I can tell you have to pay all of them. And you can decide what backup disciples do. But backups die like flies, so maybe it's better to only have named npc in your sect?
Thing is balancing sect resources is a pain in the ars. At first only 10% of disciples get killed, I send 100, 10 goes KIA. But when I started sending more people it get much worse. Same missions, I send 320, 120 get killed. 37% WTF? In the end I got stuck sending half my backups for recruiting and half for crystal mining. Because before going to afterlife those 37% still take their share of crystals.
So I was thinking if I fill my sect with proper npc, I can avoid dealing with backups and constant decline in their numbers? Have anyone tried that?

[Sayla Massochist]

1: It doesn't matter. There may be some interpersonal conflicts that arise from conflicting personalities but as long as your Sect loyalty is high it won't matter in the slightest.

2: Backup disciples are the lifeblood of your sect. They are critically important to maintaining and growing your resources. Otherwise you will go bankrupt, lose prestige, lost security, and find yourself struggling with a failing sect.

First always keep 150~ in Recruitment. Always. This will help not only replace the ones who die but also grow the amount you have. Without a strong Recruitment department everything else falls apart.

Second prioritize Treasury. Spirits Stones pay the wages of everyone. If you can't pay your people they will become dissatisfied and leave.

The way the game works you can not just have named Sect members and ignore the backups entirely. You simply wont have enough people to perform missions. Not only that but without good prestige it'll become very difficult to recruit anyone to the sect, let alone decent quality recruits who will have a better than 50% chance to succeed at the missions you can manually assign.

[Dweller Beyond the Threshold]

1. I prefer having people with desirable qualities over the undesirable ones. It's not directly related to sect management itself, but people who are vindictive or have negative traits are more likely to have conflicts and feuds with fellow sect members and they end up killing each other. In my previous save, I've wiped out most other sects and I thought I achieved lasting peace, but alas, all my sect members have started to turn on each other and every month when I check the member list tree, I see people who have died at the hands of their peer or one from a branch in another region.

2. Backup disciples are very important since you send those people on missions which get you all the resources your sect needs to stay running. You can absolutely reduce the number of casualties by selecting the easier missions.

I had the same issue in the beginning but I started to manage the sects myself, manually assigning missions and people, and now all the sects have started to grow and develop properly. Once you found the right balance for the mission dispatch, you just need to return to check the report from time to time and don't have to micromanage everytime.

[Pavlus]

Originally posted by Sayla Massochist:

First always keep 150~ in Recruitment. Always. This will help not only replace the ones who die but also grow the amount you have. Without a strong Recruitment department everything else falls apart.

Second prioritize Treasury. Spirits Stones pay the wages of everyone. If you can't pay your people they will become dissatisfied and leave.

I was doing that, but it's really annoying how many of them die every month. I had 320 disciples. 150 recruiting, 150 getting crystals. 20 doing everything else. I mange to have max security and prosperity, but every month I lose 100-150 people (doing the safest missions) also lose ~120 prestige, And after 6 years I still couldn't get Hamlet sect out of first region. Devs need to balance that a lot. Oh well, starting new game, will try harder.

[Sayla Massochist]

You can also try setting the Sect into Defense mode in Tactics. The games description is that it allows you to sort of go into hiding in order to rebuild your strength. In practice I think you will find that far fewer Backup Disciples will be passing away each month.

[Pavlus]

Originally posted by Sayla Massochist:

You can also try setting the Sect into Defense mode in Tactics. The games description is that it allows you to sort of go into hiding in order to rebuild your strength. In practice I think you will find that far fewer Backup Disciples will be passing away each month.

That was the first thing I did when I became sect leader. The reason why I made this topic, is that I tried a lot of different things, and still don't know what's wrong. I do most of sect missions, clear all monster spawns on sect territory, help my sect members with materials and have high relations with all of them. And it's still falling apart. Prestige is stable 0 (-100\120 a month), no ore and herbs, 30-40% of backups getting killed and don't have enough spirit stones to pay them all every month. And I playing on normal difficulty. Don't want to think what happening on hard or chaos.

[Xplorer30]

I started the dragon sect recently too. Took the Following Bug destiny to see what it was, and sort of laughed when I did.

Anyway, I keep enough backup disciple in recruitment to keep them growing slightly. Same for prestige. Stability I keep enough there to maintain over 900. Rest go into treasury. This seem to work pretty well.

My two main stats is capped so I don't want any ore/herb stuff till I can conquer other sects. Not sure how long that will take, since at least one hostile sect have a condensation HC as grand elder. Can you move your sect and come back to conquer them later?

[Pavlus]

Originally posted by Xplorer30:

I started the dragon sect recently too. Took the Following Bug destiny to see what it was, and sort of laughed when I did.

Anyway, I keep enough backup disciple in recruitment to keep them growing slightly. Same for prestige. Stability I keep enough there to maintain over 900. Rest go into treasury. This seem to work pretty well.

My two main stats is capped so I don't want any ore/herb stuff till I can conquer other sects. Not sure how long that will take, since at least one hostile sect have a condensation HC as grand elder. Can you move your sect and come back to conquer them later?

Why would you need to conquer this branch sects? Just get them in next regeon
And you are keepenig over 900 backup desciples? That would be more than 80,000 spirit stones a month... No wonder it fall apart when I tried to balance ♥♥♥♥ with only 300+

[ESDP]

Originally posted by Xplorer30:

I started the dragon sect recently too. Took the Following Bug destiny to see what it was, and sort of laughed when I did.

Anyway, I keep enough backup disciple in recruitment to keep them growing slightly. Same for prestige. Stability I keep enough there to maintain over 900. Rest go into treasury. This seem to work pretty well.

My two main stats is capped so I don't want any ore/herb stuff till I can conquer other sects. Not sure how long that will take, since at least one hostile sect have a condensation HC as grand elder. Can you move your sect and come back to conquer them later?

That destiny is not that bad if you start with elder dragon, then upgrade it on the sect building.

Im still not sure since im not full on that destiny route yet, since im on chaos and still on origin. but if I get another mediocre rewrite i'll go bugs again.

[Xplorer30]

Originally posted by Pavlus:

Why would you need to conquer this branch sects? Just get them in next regeon
And you are keepenig over 900 backup desciples? That would be more than 80,000 spirit stones a month... No wonder it fall apart when I tried to balance ♥♥♥♥ with only 300+

Err, that was keeping stability over 900.

My backup disciples currently is at 162, and 19 died last month. What I am saying is keep everything increasing slightly, and go all in for treasury so you can pay your people. Ignore all the numbers people give you, just check your internal messages and place backup disciples according to that.

Originally posted by ESDP:

That destiny is not that bad if you start with elder dragon, then upgrade it on the sect building.

Im still not sure since im not full on that destiny route yet, since im on chaos and still on origin. but if I get another mediocre rewrite i'll go bugs again.

I have Following Bug II now, and it's a bit bigger. It seems you get one special ability per region. Having a no hp bar pet is nice, till you want to learn eye abilities and your pet kills the target.

[worstcase11]

Doesn't really pay to kick anyone out - unless they really do something to P you off. (Had one evil disciple try to pull off that 'help me treasure hunting so I can rob you afterwards' sheme on my sect-leader cultivator. I actually expelled him (after handing out a good beating) but he came back after a few months and helped defend the sect when it was under attack. (He still hates my cultivator though).

[Doesn't Learn From Mistakes]

Originally posted by Pavlus:

Originally posted by Xplorer30:

I started the dragon sect recently too. Took the Following Bug destiny to see what it was, and sort of laughed when I did.

Anyway, I keep enough backup disciple in recruitment to keep them growing slightly. Same for prestige. Stability I keep enough there to maintain over 900. Rest go into treasury. This seem to work pretty well.

My two main stats is capped so I don't want any ore/herb stuff till I can conquer other sects. Not sure how long that will take, since at least one hostile sect have a condensation HC as grand elder. Can you move your sect and come back to conquer them later?

Why would you need to conquer this branch sects? Just get them in next regeon
And you are keepenig over 900 backup desciples? That would be more than 80,000 spirit stones a month... No wonder it fall apart when I tried to balance ♥♥♥♥ with only 300+

Conquering everyone in Yong Ning is considerably easier because many sect mechanics are suppressed -- for example, territory, control points, and non-player initiated sect wars. You also want all 12 arts ASAP so progression is much easier as your sect will produce all 12 kinds of fruits. This means a 6 to 12 times faster root progression, even when you don't count the loss in value when you have to exchange 2:1 at the sect guardian if you don't have the arts.

If conquering everyone in yong ning is hard, doing so in hua feng is even more so as the curve gets steeper.

[Pavlus]

Originally posted by Doesn't Learn From Mistakes:

Conquering everyone in Yong Ning is considerably easier because many sect mechanics are suppressed -- for example, territory, control points, and non-player initiated sect wars. You also want all 12 arts ASAP so progression is much easier as your sect will produce all 12 kinds of fruits. This means a 6 to 12 times faster root progression, even when you don't count the loss in value when you have to exchange 2:1 at the sect guardian if you don't have the arts.

If conquering everyone in yong ning is hard, doing so in hua feng is even more so as the curve gets steeper.

But is that possible? Leaders of those sects are in 8-9 realms. If they join the fight...

[Sayla Massochist]

Typically they wont unless it's the main branch. They will leave the defense to one of the branches Grand Elders.

[Doesn't Learn From Mistakes]

What Sayla said. When a branch is attacked the defense is led by the grand elder on the left, not the leader.

[Pavlus]

Then... It's slaughter time >_<
Or that, is what I would like to say, but since I started new game, I steel need to get to sect leader position and turn the complete mess of a sect in something greater. This time I would try to gather only kind and selfless members, maybe that will lessen internal problems and prestige drops.