how to play mongols?

[Cyan]

Hello guys! I am a total aoe4 noobs, I am learning the game at the moment in Single Player.
I wanted to ask, what are the strengths of the Mongols I should concentrate on?

I already know they can double produce, but in my nooby eyes thats not an advantage in mid to late game, because everybody will have multiple military buildings anyway.

I think trading could be really good because you can get all ressources especially food from it.

Otherwise I am totally clueless. Maybe Dark Age Horseriders?

[Kuban Cossack]

watch videos on youtube "yellowish"

[NamelessKing]

Mongols don’t need any houses for population so if you play on 750 population like I do then it becomes very useful, they can make sheep so you can get a lot of food pretty fast and an unlimited amount, age 3 land mark gives 50% more gold when dropped there and it can be packed up and moved to each gold mine, but the double produce units is useless and only works if next to an ovoo or whatever the rock mining thing is called

[Antpile]

Mongols tend to have lots of wood due to never needing to mine stone. So spam outposts everywhere. This gives you your Yam network for speed and lots of vision, so the enemy can't take you by surprise and raid your villagers. Since you always have stone, you can upgrade these outposts so the enemy can't move anywhere in your territory without taking damage unless he wants to stop and burn every single outpost on his way to you, which slows him down greatly. Once you repel him, just throw those outposts right back up again.

Constantly raid his villagers. Stay away from Mangudai until you feel like you're really getting the hang of Mongols. They are a trap if you don't know exactly when and where to use them. They cost a lot, but aren't good in a fight. They are all about harassing and raiding. So until you are at a point where you are doing a lot of that while maintaining your macro, you may as well be throwing your resources in the garbage by building them. Also, if the enemy shores up his base with walls and defenses, they lose almost all ability to do anything useful at all.

So again, don't bother with Mangudai until you learn to recognize exactly where and when they'll be good. Even then, probably just make like 6 and run around with the Khan. Not a lot of reason to make more than that.

Mongol trade is excellent for the reason you stated, but also because of Yam network. Still, it's another niche strategy to go trade early. Trade is usually not something to be worrying about until the game is reaching the 30 minute mark.

Edit: Double unit production is mostly used for bigger stuff, like mangonels. It can be used early in some rush strategies to get a bunch of horsemen out or something like that, but mostly you don't need to use it on regular units. You have lots of uses for stone other than double building units.

[Cyan]

Thank you for your answers everybody.

[SonOfMyst]

Originally posted by DB Canadian:

Mongols don’t need any houses for population so if you play on 750 population like I do then it becomes very useful, they can make sheep so you can get a lot of food pretty fast and an unlimited amount, age 3 land mark gives 50% more gold when dropped there and it can be packed up and moved to each gold mine, but the double produce units is useless and only works if next to an ovoo or whatever the rock mining thing is called

750 pop? Are you talking about AoE2?

[NamelessKing]

Nope it’s a tuning pack

[Soccer]

Originally posted by Cyan:

I wanted to ask, what are the strengths of the Mongols I should concentrate on?

They are made for early rush. Their scout (Khan) is also very good. They are difficult to play (hence the 3 stars in difficutly).

But when a very good player plays them its like:

"oh 2 speermen in Age 1, driving away my villagers from gold... oh now they build a tower with their villagers there, quick to the next gold.. oh damn same problem, more speermen, more towers, let me defend, oh he goes age 2, oh horsement, i need spears, oh damn archer horsemen, killing my speers and also they are faster then my cavalery, constantly firing at them... ok i give up, against this mongols"

[Cyan]

You are right, but I don't like that tower rushing stuff.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Hey, I just started too! Won my first skirmish against the Easy AI as Jeanne d'Arc. There's a LOT to learn in this game. I'm lovin' it so far.

[Many-Named]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiavIQwpxhM

[Many-Named]

Originally posted by Cyan:

Hello guys! I am a total aoe4 noobs, I am learning the game at the moment in Single Player.
I wanted to ask, what are the strengths of the Mongols I should concentrate on?

I already know they can double produce, but in my nooby eyes thats not an advantage in mid to late game, because everybody will have multiple military buildings anyway.

I think trading could be really good because you can get all ressources especially food from it.

Otherwise I am totally clueless. Maybe Dark Age Horseriders? :reuschicken:

It is an advantage as you save tons on wood but yea, the more you advance in game the less meaningful basic ressources become...it just happens faster to some like mongols.

[PotatoScav]

Mongol heavily depends on civ you fight against

Against dehli or abbasid you are basically already lost beyond 15 minutes mark