The new DLC for AOE2 is exactly what AOE 4 needs badly.

[WarMaster GoreHowl]

A huge campaign DLC that has an actual GOOD campaign. The abassid one is trash in the latest DLC. Just make some damn good campaign mission with actual AI its really not that hard. Hell even just copy and paste some AOE 2 campaigns into this

[Lotor13]

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How many years since AoE2 release ?

4 (+1 tutorial) campaigns on release in 1999
4 more with expansion in 2000

13 year gap

28 campaigns added in dlc content since then

Come on now son, don't make me pull out the abacus

You probably know, where I am heading - AoE2 was released... 25 years ago.... and received multiplle expansions & DLC during that time

[BigBotKilla187]

no, i just got on for the first time since release, this game is in a bad state from where it was

[erb]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av erb:

4 (+1 tutorial) campaigns on release in 1999
4 more with expansion in 2000

13 year gap

28 campaigns added in dlc content since then

Come on now son, don't make me pull out the abacus

You probably know, where I am heading - AoE2 was released... 25 years ago.... and received multiplle expansions & DLC during that time

In the two years from the release of AoE 2 they had 8 campaigns. The game had no official support past 2001, the last patch the game received was 1.0c

So while the game has existed for 25 years in total, it's only had a sum total of 15~ years of active development support (1999-2001 then 2013-present)

Game only came back because of the Forgotten Empires modding project, something that became a studio that maintains the series to this day.

The average release rate of campaigns is 2.13 every year. AoE IV has released an average of 0.33 every year. AoE IV is way below the standards that have been set by every other title in the series. That's just the way it is!

I told you not to make me break out the abacus!!!

[Lotor13]

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Ursprungligen skrivet av Lotor13:

You probably know, where I am heading - AoE2 was released... 25 years ago.... and received multiplle expansions & DLC during that time

In the two years from the release of AoE 2 they had 8 campaigns. The game had no official support past 2001, the last patch the game received was 1.0c

So while the game has existed for 25 years in total, it's only had a sum total of 15~ years of active development support (1999-2001 then 2013-present)

Game only came back because of the Forgotten Empires modding project, something that became a studio that maintains the series to this day.

The average release rate of campaigns is 2.13 every year. AoE IV has released an average of 0.33 every year. AoE IV is way below the standards that have been set by every other title in the series. That's just the way it is!

I told you not to make me break out the abacus!!!

So You are familiar with AoE2 "history", and (probably) understand, than AoE2 is in very special position, so why do You use AoE2 "measure" to AoE4?

The point is that AoE2 received 1 official expansion "The Conquerors" , and than the official development ended... and it was "resurected" as fan mod project (Forgotten Empires)...

AoE4 received 1 official expansion and than is in "unclear" position with the RELIC developers

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I told you not to make me break out the abacus!!!

With the abascus, You need to calculate complex - You did not take into consideration, that AoE2 and AoE4 campaigns have different amount of scenarios :D

[FloosWorld]

Campaign-wise, AoE 2 is the exception in the saga. AoE 3 hasn't received any new campaign but instead got Historical Battles, AoM only has a Mythic battle (but maybe will get a new campaign with the China DLC, who knows)

[Lotor13]

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Campaign-wise, AoE 2 is the exception in the saga. AoE 3 hasn't received any new campaign but instead got Historical Battles, AoM only has a Mythic battle (but maybe will get a new campaign with the China DLC, who knows)

AoE2 is the exception not just in the AoE2 saga, but in whole RTS genre... No other RTS has this amount of SP campaigns/scenarios

EDIT:
Like Starcraft and Command & Conquer remasters have not received any new campaigns/scenarios.

[erb]

Ursprungligen skrivet av FloosWorld:

Campaign-wise, AoE 2 is the exception in the saga. AoE 3 hasn't received any new campaign but instead got Historical Battles, AoM only has a Mythic battle (but maybe will get a new campaign with the China DLC, who knows)

Ah that is true. I was thinking about Warchiefs adding 2 campaigns and Asian Dynasties adding 3, but all of the modern content (everything after 2013) shows that AoE 2 is the exception to the rule.

I still want more single player content though!!

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So You are familiar with AoE2 "history", and (probably) understand, than AoE2 is in very special position, so why do You use AoE2 "measure" to AoE4?

I am making a rookie mistake... gameplay wise it is the closest to AoE 2, though it is a different game, and so I was making the attachment to it having a similar amount of singleplayer content. It has been a sore spot for me since the game released, AoE IV is really its own title and makes its own patterns...

[Lotor13]

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I am making a rookie mistake... gameplay wise it is the closest to AoE 2...

Not really, AoE4' gameplay is mix of elements from all AoE games (ruins from AoE1) + new own things.

We can discuss, if AoE4; is closest to AoE2 or AoM

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..though it is a different game, and so I was making the attachment to it having a similar amount of singleplayer content. It has been a sore spot for me since the game released, AoE IV is really its own title and makes its own patterns...

Well, I agree, that AoE4 needs more DLCs and addons with SP campaigns/ scenarios, and it is in "weird situation" because of developers

But no other RTS game is in situation like AoE2, where fan made scenarios became official campaigns

[Witski]

So since it's release the only new campaign is the sultans one?

[WarMaster GoreHowl]

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So since it's release the only new campaign is the sultans one?

Yup. IMO its honestly pretty bad too. Theres hardly any build and destroy missions. They feel like company of heroes missions more than age of empires missions. Aoe 4 absolutely needs to get a decent single player content drop because I'd honestly love to play AOE 4 but I just don't because theres nothing for me to do. I do not want to play online competitively, I want to relax and enjoy building my civilizations city and then going out to conquer.

[WarMaster GoreHowl]

Ursprungligen skrivet av FloosWorld:

Campaign-wise, AoE 2 is the exception in the saga. AoE 3 hasn't received any new campaign but instead got Historical Battles, AoM only has a Mythic battle (but maybe will get a new campaign with the China DLC, who knows)

And look which one is doing the best. Exactly my point. A diverse portfolio is the most healthy. I hope you are right and we get more SP content for all AOE games not just myth.

[Witski]

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So since it's release the only new campaign is the sultans one?

Yup. IMO its honestly pretty bad too. Theres hardly any build and destroy missions. They feel like company of heroes missions more than age of empires missions. Aoe 4 absolutely needs to get a decent single player content drop because I'd honestly love to play AOE 4 but I just don't because theres nothing for me to do. I do not want to play online competitively, I want to relax and enjoy building my civilizations city and then going out to conquer.

Same.

[WarMaster GoreHowl]

Then im sorry to say but there is very little content for you besides skrimish against the AI.

The campaigns don't even have *AI* in the term that they don't build and expand.... they just spawn waves of units from a base and they attack move towards yours. I think there might be one or two missions that have actual AI that builds and expands but even then its been so long I honestly forget... I want to play the damn game like i stated previously. But if you want SP like me just wait for a sale or a DLC like the ones AOE 2 gets.

[Witski]

Ursprungligen skrivet av WarMaster GoreHowl:

Then im sorry to say but there is very little content for you besides skrimish against the AI.

The campaigns don't even have *AI* in the term that they don't build and expand.... they just spawn waves of units from a base and they attack move towards yours. I think there might be one or two missions that have actual AI that builds and expands but even then its been so long I honestly forget... I want to play the damn game like i stated previously. But if you want SP like me just wait for a sale or a DLC like the ones AOE 2 gets.

I played it on game pass, i liked the campaign tho, just want more and if it's like the older ones like you said,much better.

[Elliott]

I'd love some sort of replayable conquest mode like Rise of Nations or Dawn of War Dark Crusade. I'd get more value out of that instead of a campaign I will play once and never again. Bonus if there is a Co Op option.