Strong anti-Christian sentiment in this game?

[Smetan]

Now, I know it may sound ridiculous, but this is something that Ive noticed.

The new Dlc dropped and we got many new civs, which is great, however, how on earth we didn't get a Templar Order faction in a Dlc called "The sultans ascend"? The campaign focuses heavily on the crusades, so it would be obvious that the templars/crusaders must have been introduced here as a playable faction. They are even drawn in the official Dlc art, so what the hell happened? Did they conciously decide not to introduce them because God only knows why?

We got the Order of the Dragon instead, which was an Order created to protect the Holy Cross and Catholicism from its enemies (its literally stated in the first paragraph of wikipedia). However, nowhere in the faction description that is stated. Instead, its written that "It was founded to smash invading empires". Awfully misleading, why not state the actual objective of the Order?

Moreover, the crusaders in the campaign are depicted as bloodthirsty invaders and slaughterers while the arabs are peaceful Allah loving muslims... Very one sided if im frank...

I would love if you proved me wrong, but I'm feeling Christianophobia from this game.

[Soul Reaver]

Originally posted by Xtreme:

Originally posted by Redstar964:

Muslims were in the holy land for almost 450 years before the first crusade so by that time yeah, so yeah the crusaders would come off blood thirsty invaders if they were attacking innocent people which they did. Also this seems to be from the Muslim prospective which logically make sense to not be open to hostile invasion.

Also majority of those people had nothing to do with the Muslim expansion out of Saudi Arabia because it was more than 500 years before. Also the Byzantine empire was occupying the middle east themselves when the Arabs invaded and took the land from them along with the Persians before the 1st crusades. So technically yes the crusaders were invaders and their justification of going into the area is iffy because the Turks were the ones who were attacking the greeks etc and they were not in control of the holy land, totally different ethnic group and empire. Big factor here , there was more than one empire in the middle east at the time and they were fighting each other. So I think its dumb to group them all together.

Religions are not disgusting. Only fanatics and radicals are extremely disgusting. They are the ones who consistently cause chaos on this planet. Shooting and bombing civilians. When the other side retaliate as a form of defense, the first attacker cry out "genocide" and play as victims.

What's worse is that they have brainwashed millions of poor people with low intellectuals all around the world and provoke a massive demonstration in all advanced countries. All of the demonstrations are well orchestrated and had been planned for years. They started the war in the first place, but accused the other side as being cruel and vicious.

The other most silly part of this war is that with billions of dollars investment, from allied countries, why won't they bring welfare for the people? But instead, they choose to buy tons of weapons just to attack their neighboring country all the time.

That's why we all have to eliminate all of these fanatics and radicals.

another person brainwashed by US war criminal gov propaganda. seems like you are completely ignorant about what is happening there.

just cut off that ♥♥♥♥ because this discussion is about historical events in a video game not about current ones irl.

[PotatoScav]

Originally posted by Smetan:

Now, I know it may sound ridiculous, but this is something that Ive noticed.

The new Dlc dropped and we got many new civs, which is great, however, how on earth we didn't get a Templar Order faction in a Dlc called "The sultans ascend"? The campaign focuses heavily on the crusades, so it would be obvious that the templars/crusaders must have been introduced here as a playable faction. They are even drawn in the official Dlc art, so what the hell happened? Did they conciously decide not to introduce them because God only knows why?

We got the Order of the Dragon instead, which was an Order created to protect the Holy Cross and Catholicism from its enemies (its literally stated in the first paragraph of wikipedia). However, nowhere in the faction description that is stated. Instead, its written that "It was founded to smash invading empires". Awfully misleading, why not state the actual objective of the Order?

Moreover, the crusaders in the campaign are depicted as bloodthirsty invaders and slaughterers while the arabs are peaceful Allah loving muslims... Very one sided if im frank...

I would love if you proved me wrong, but I'm feeling Christianophobia from this game.

So either way they anti something , good to know

[Josch]

Originally posted by UFL40:

Originally posted by Josch:

How arrogant you are, what makes you eligible to set boundaries of a public discussion?! .

Because a) everyone is allowed to state their boundaries
b) religious talks are not allowed in steam afaik. Will be checked, as i have reported it.
It´s age of empires 4 forum.

This game is about religion, you can't just censor that part. If our religion is shown as evil, while the other is being glorified, it's a valid topic to talk about. And no, you don't have to participate in any way shape or form, just go away and be happy. What is wrong with you reporting things like that?!

[Aerond]

Originally posted by Josch:

Originally posted by UFL40:

Because a) everyone is allowed to state their boundaries
b) religious talks are not allowed in steam afaik. Will be checked, as i have reported it.
It´s age of empires 4 forum.

This game is about religion, you can't just censor that part. If our religion is shown as evil, while the other is being glorified, it's a valid topic to talk about. And no, you don't have to participate in any way shape or form, just go away and be happy. What is wrong with you reporting things like that?!

Oh, boo hoo. People are calling muslims terrorists for years IN REAL LIFE. You get upset when your religion is depicted as the villains in a video game? Well, tough ♥♥♥♥!

[Josch]

Originally posted by Aerond:

Originally posted by Josch:

This game is about religion, you can't just censor that part. If our religion is shown as evil, while the other is being glorified, it's a valid topic to talk about. And no, you don't have to participate in any way shape or form, just go away and be happy. What is wrong with you reporting things like that?!

Oh, boo hoo. People are calling muslims terrorists for years IN REAL LIFE. You get upset when your religion is depicted as the villains in a video game? Well, tough ♥♥♥♥!

So let's escalate it furthermore instead of be reasonable? Nice logic. And maybe you haven't realize it yet, but Christianity is under fire by modern society almost as much as Islam.

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by Redstar964:

Originally posted by dadof10mj:

You are right. There might be a portrayal of Islam-Christian conflict from the Christian side in a future DLC. There were in AOE2. I can almost guarantee you won't hear the words "occupier", "infidel", "invader" or any other disparaging words put in the mouths of the Christian toward the Muslim. That's my point...If it offends a certain group, it really shouldn't be used. I have no problem with Muslims being the good guys in a campaign. They are in others, and I've played them. My point is, it's "OK" to put these offensive words in the mouth's of one group, but not the other. If it would offend a Muslim (which it would), then it stands to reason it would offend the other.

I dont think many would be offended by being called heretics which the crusaders did and would be historically accurate. Going to have to wait and see on the next campaign if they do one for the crusaders. Heretics means pretty much the same thing as infedels and I dont remembering people being offended by using the word heretic in media etc. I mean look at Dragon age, had the name Inquisition of god sakes and similar iconography.

Well, a heretic is someone within the religion that holds false doctrine, and an infidel is someone who practices a different religion altogether, but either term is offensive, even if true. I'm an "infidel" to the Muslim, and he to me, and the term is offensive to both. Don't believe me? Go up to anyone who holds any religion and say "hey there, infidel. How's it hanging?" I'm sure the person would be offended. The fact that both sides of the Crusades called each other names is a true statement. They called each other way worse than "infidel" and "invader". But, none of that has any place in a game, no matter if they are trying to be "historically accurate". It would be so simple to just focus on the military conquest and leave the religious rhetoric out completely. They did it in other campaigns...

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by Redstar964:

The one major time I read when Muslims had a major issue with a game when it came to their religion was COD in one of the Zombie modes there were pages of a torn Quran on the ground in some room, and it was removed and everyone moved on and forgot about it. I mean other times they had issues with always being depicted as terrorist in modern settings which was a lot, especially the COD games which were and still played by millions of people.

"And it was removed", due to complaints?. Do you think the devs of AOE4 will remove the offensive language in this campaign, if there are complaints from Christians? I doubt it. That's the point...

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by Mavericko:

because it is a fact that the crusader are literally what they are. Crusading the land. They killed so many lives. You should go and read more about what actually happen as your history book might be changed to make it sound like crusader are nice people

History didn't start in the 10th century. There were large groups of Christians in No. Africa way before Muhammad. Heck, when he was on the run, he was taken in and protected by the Christian king of Ethiopia. And if there are any "changes" to modern history books, it is to promote leftist ideology, not Christianity.

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by Yasunari:

Regardless of how one feels about the framing of this campaign, it is narrated by someone who was invaded by foreign powers. It makes sense they would portray these powers -- Christians as well as Mongolians -- very negatively. They did invade them and killed people, after all.

As did the Muslims, but I don't think you would hear the offensive and triggering words "infidel" and "invaders" used to describe Muslims. That's all I'm saying...

[Defender]

You ignored the fact that we got the Byzantine Eastern Roman Empire, the birthplace of Eastern Orhtodox Christianity. So that's three Christian factions: Byzantines, OOTD, and Jeanne d'Arc. Seems like plenty of representation to me.

As for the campaign, it's explicitly from the Muslim perspective. Of course from the Muslim perspective the Crusaders were bloodthirsty invaders and conquerors.

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by kevin:

ESG funding

companies get tax breaks/investments for helping social engineer essentially

Exactly, which is why you won't hear the words "infidel", "invader" or "occupier" bandied about in reference to Muslims. It's not politically correct. These ESG scores don't apply to Jews, Christians, Europeans, Conservatives...

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by futhark:

Don't know about Christianity, but it definately becomes more "woke" (don' like th term, but it has become iconic) with each update.
Female Mongol Lancers and stuff like that.

Lol...True. I recently bought Battlefield ! and the splash screen features a bald woman pointing a gun, dressed in a WW1 uniform. Come on. How many women actually fought IN UNIFORM in WW1? Maybe....about....zero?

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by citizen erased:

The terms "infidel" and "occupiers" were used back then. Assassin's Creed used these terms as well. Yes, they're insults, but historically correct. Another term was "Franks", which was also not correct because not every crusader was Frankish. From the perspective of an historian: in terms of culture, Europe lagged waaaaay behind Muslim culture and science. This is not woke but historical fact. Just like when Europeans first entered China - in both cases Europeans were considered uncivilized and "barbaric". Same as Greeks or Romans looked down at Goths and Huns.

I didn't play Assassins Creed. Did the Christians call the Muslims "infidel", or the other way around?

[Sigismund]

Originally posted by UFL40:

Originally posted by Smetan:

how on earth we didn't get a Templar Order faction in a Dlc called "The sultans ascend"? but I'm feeling Christianophobia from this game.

Because its a game and in a world wide community with a worldwide game you are faced that there is more stuff in the world then the one you grew up with and know.

Guess you want to continue life in our bubble if you cannot even handle a pc game not meeting your exspectations.

Spoiler alert: Even most christians do not believe in christianity anymore. Its just a book written and re-written by humans - and not even very good onces.

Go play games you like and not talking about your christianity here. thx.

I am out of this discussion, just setting some boundaries to religious talks here.

Christians don't believe in Christianity anymore? Lol. Then that wouldn't make them Christians anymore, since "membership", so to speak, is predicated upon belief. And, I notice you singled out "Christians". Your bias is showing... And, for the record, we arent' "talking about your christianity here", we are talking about the offensive language to Christians in the campaign, which is missing inn ALL the others.

[Han Suleiman]

yeah and why is a WOMAN the commander of the new sub faction? everyone knows women cant fight its impossible!