Why is this game a flop?

[Lo Burattino]

Many people have been talking about how Relic failed at making this a good game, yet the reviews are positive, but the game has barely more players than AOE3.

So what makes this game bad?

[grraf]

@Cacomistle sorry but no it isn't the same i actually post true facts&verifiable numbers not bogus hopes&dreams nor do i sell copium on the street corner like the rest of the gang that do respond to my comments with nothing but demonstrably false arguments and 'feel' their opinions are somehow above the actual truth...

So take yr pick on credibility: me that always back up its statements and claims with verifiable&reputable third party numbers OR the copium sellers that like to 'bend over the truth' like a the street corner hooker likes to bends over to take one up the rear...

[Modragor]

引用自 grraf：

@Modragor yes hes right just ignore the actual numbers shown by the steam platform itself, they must be lying !! its a world wide conspiracy to keep AoE IV's player base from ever expanding

Oh and stop lying about me never playing the game outside of the beta https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198098873381/recommended/1466860/ look at the reviews date mate its from 18feb of this year (but to write a review ya need to have the game and oh look it also shows i have play time in said game after its launch in oct 28 of 2021 and also later even after i posted said review)

Just like that^ @Modragor yr credibility becomes even worse then that of a morally bankrupt politician... so we should all bow down to the one and only purveyor 'truth' Modragor

0.0 Std. in den vergangenen zwei Wochen / 1.4 Std. insgesamt (0.5 Std. zum Zeitpunkt

Ahahaha, you had played it 0,5 hours when you gave a negative review. Can´t take you serious man. And you talk about credibility and moral, ridiclious.

[grraf]

@Modragor too bad i don't have a way to show you the amount of hours i wasted on it in the beta tho i sourly regret it !! those would have been so much better spent on literally anything else...

[Modragor]

引用自 grraf：

@Modragor too bad i don't have a way to show you the amount of hours i wasted on it in the beta tho i sourly regret it !! those would have been so much better spent on literally anything else...

All fine, go to your AoE 2 forum and stay there until you maybe play AoE 4 one day. Have a nice day.

[-Dare Devil/x/]

引用自 grraf：

@Cacomistle sorry but no it isn't the same i actually post true facts&verifiable numbers not bogus hopes&dreams nor do i sell copium on the street corner like the rest of the gang that do respond to my comments with nothing but demonstrably false arguments and 'feel' their opinions are somehow above the actual truth...

So take yr pick on credibility: me that always back up its statements and claims with verifiable&reputable third party numbers OR the copium sellers that like to 'bend over the truth' like a the street corner hooker likes to bends over to take one up the rear...

-Eh, but the subjective point is that both of you have different definitions of success. So you both will never agree. I highly recommend reviewing the Steam rules of conduct when participating in the Steam discussion forums.

[FloosWorld]

引用自 grraf：

引用自 Wolfy：

dunno what ur trying to say, but if that website shows anything its how stable the playerbase is, still 16k peak players

Fine, so you guys want to come and play eh ?!

Here we have a little game we call Age 2 DE: https://steamcharts.com/app/813780 notice the peak monthly concurrent players it had on its launch month ?! yeah well that threshold got smashed in 14 more months including this exact month

So surely a 'masterpiece' like AoE IV deluxe anniversary edition can trounce that measly performance with ease ?! https://steamcharts.com/app/1466860 but oh noes it has NEVER AGAIN managed to even reach !! HALF !! as in 50% of it launch month's peak concurrent players to this very day, so this must be how a smashing success story looks like i'ma right ?!

I feel like a broken record at this point, but...

- it's normal for a NEW GAME to have a hype peak that declines. As you love Steamcharts so much, go and check the figures of Forza Horizon 5 or Halo Infinite that are also Microsoft games and seen a similar trend
- 16k is a very healthy number considering RTS is a niche genre and also very respectable for a game that costs more than the remaster of a 1999 released game that already has a release on Steam. Also, it's 16k ON STEAM ALONE, we don't know the exact figures for Gamepass/Windows Store unless someone makes the effort to count every single account
- I don't get this STUPID TRIBALISM from you at all. Like, AoE 2 is doing well, AoE 4 is also doing well. Why the need to act like some 12 year old teenager who debates with his friend whether which plastic box is better?! I get console warrior vibes from you.

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If there's an RTS that doing horrible, it has to be CoH 3. Started with 36,646 players and now has a peak playerbase of 2 - 2.5k with 53 % reviews whereas AoE 4 has 86 %. These are facts as you'd call it.

[Heraclius Caesar]

Flop might be a little strong of a word considering its strong positive review status and that there are indeed thousands of players on at any given time.

That being said, the developers did ruin this game and sabotage its potential.

- Graphics aren't great. Really kind of unappealing honestly.

- Byzantium was not in game from the start and is only being added now with the upcoming DLC, some 2 years after the game was initially released and it's gonna be kind of janky with this olive oil resource nonsense.

- Unit detail is lackluster and unappealing across the board.

- No blood and gore.

- Still the same old build a little army and essentially throw it against the other guys little army.

- Still the same old little army and little unit cap. When historical games like Total War or Crusader Kings or even Knights of Honor II exist where you can actually have many thousands of troops on the field (though in regards to CK this army is represented by a single sprite, at least that sprite can represent, for example, an army of 40,000 troops) it honestly makes playing AoE4 really unappealing and undesirable.

- The developers ruined the competitive ratings system by including a seasonal ranked system on top that resets every season and that usually comes with nonsensical and unnecessary and out of touch seasonal content.

- It has taken these developers 2+ years to put out the first expansion for the game.

- There are more grievances but I've run out of Steam, FloosWorld has pretty much everything else covered.

[FloosWorld]

引用自 Heraclius Caesar：

- Graphics aren't great. Really kind of unappealing honestly.

While I don't mind 4's graphics that much, imo the graphics of AoE 3 DE put it to shame. I assume it'll be similar with AoM Retold as it'll run on the 3 DE version of BANG.

引用自 Heraclius Caesar：

- Byzantium was not in game from the start and is only being added now with the upcoming DLC, some 2 years after the game was initially released and it's gonna be kind of janky with this olive oil resource nonsense.

- It has taken these developers 2+ years to put out the first expansion for the game.

I agree about Byzantines. Also weird that Japanese were left out despite both being in AoE 2 since Age of Kings.
Regarding olive oil - it's a game. We all know mercenaries weren't paid with olive oil, but I guess it's there to link to the fact that Byzantines were in today's Greece and some civs in AoE history already had an additional resource e.g. Export for AoE 3's Asian civs or Influence for the African ones.

Malians and Ottomans were a free expansion.

引用自 Heraclius Caesar：

- No blood and gore.

- Still the same old build a little army and essentially throw it against the other guys little army.

- Still the same old little army and little unit cap. When historical games like Total War or Crusader Kings or even Knights of Honor II exist where you can actually have many thousands of troops on the field (though in regards to CK this army is represented by a single sprite, at least that sprite can represent, for example, an army of 40,000 troops) it honestly makes playing AoE4 really unappealing and undesirable.

Blood would've been a nice addition given all past AoE had it (even 3 although less noticable). Gore I don't mind at all.

Tbh, that's the reason while people play AoE in first place as at it's core it's an oldschool RTS with base building, much like past AoE games, Cossacks and Empire Earth. TW and CK are different beasts with a different focus.
A Global Conquest mode like Rise of Nations (and apparently also AoE 3 during development) would've been nice tho.

[citizen erased]

引用自 Heraclius Caesar：

Flop might be a little strong of a word considering its strong positive review status and that there are indeed thousands of players on at any given time.

That being said, the developers did ruin this game and sabotage its potential.

- Graphics aren't great. Really kind of unappealing honestly.

- Byzantium was not in game from the start and is only being added now with the upcoming DLC, some 2 years after the game was initially released and it's gonna be kind of janky with this olive oil resource nonsense.

- Unit detail is lackluster and unappealing across the board.

- No blood and gore.

- Still the same old build a little army and essentially throw it against the other guys little army.

- Still the same old little army and little unit cap. When historical games like Total War or Crusader Kings or even Knights of Honor II exist where you can actually have many thousands of troops on the field (though in regards to CK this army is represented by a single sprite, at least that sprite can represent, for example, an army of 40,000 troops) it honestly makes playing AoE4 really unappealing and undesirable.

- The developers ruined the competitive ratings system by including a seasonal ranked system on top that resets every season and that usually comes with nonsensical and unnecessary and out of touch seasonal content.

- It has taken these developers 2+ years to put out the first expansion for the game.

- There are more grievances but I've run out of Steam, FloosWorld has pretty much everything else covered.

I understand your points but all of these are valid for Aoe2 as well.
Pop cap in original game was 200, in campaigns sometimes 75.
Unit roster is almost the same for all civs. Unique units stand out.
So these things might be issues, but if they are for Aoe4, so they should be for a number of other RTS games.
First expansion came out a year after Release, same as for Aoe2. The other aoe2 expansions came out many years later for HD version.
I played the beta back when and if I tried to base my opinion on that, I would also not be too happy. But this also goes for any other game in beta stage.

[Cacomistle]

引用自 grraf：

@Cacomistle sorry but no it isn't the same i actually post true facts&verifiable numbers not bogus hopes&dreams nor do i sell copium on the street corner like the rest of the gang that do respond to my comments with nothing but demonstrably false arguments and 'feel' their opinions are somehow above the actual truth...

So take yr pick on credibility: me that always back up its statements and claims with verifiable&reputable third party numbers OR the copium sellers that like to 'bend over the truth' like a the street corner hooker likes to bends over to take one up the rear...

Yeah everyone understands the playerbase is lower than aoe2. I can look at the numbers myself. You are not presenting any new information.

You know aoe2 has a far lower playerbase than fortnite right? I can repeat that over and over again and I will be presenting facts and verifiable numbers in the same way you are.

But pointing out something obvious that you already understand and won't change your opinion on anything would be stupid wouldn't it? If I repeat that 20 more times, are you going to uninstall aoe2 for fortnite? I thought not. So why would I do that, other than out of spite because you keep doing the same thing to everyone here?

But fair enough, you are a credible source of things I already knew. Want to tell me the sky is blue next?

[grraf]

@Cacomistle 'akshually' the sky is bluish purple as the short wavelengths that scatter across the sky correspond to the colors blue and violet , yet the cone cells in our eyes that detect color aren't very sensitive to violet, so we see the sky as blue... pretty much the same way that AoE IV fans see their beloved game as a masterpiece while the rest of the sane world sees it at best as a 'mustard piece' or at worse a 'turd piece'

Sry brah you were literally asking for it, so I had to deliver

[FloosWorld]

引用自 grraf：

pretty much the same way that AoE IV fans see their beloved game as a masterpiece while the rest of the sane world sees it at best as a 'mustard piece' or at worse a 'turd piece'

This would make sense if AoE 4 was an undeniably bad game that lost almost all of its players such as previously mentioned Company of Heroes 3 and if AoE 4 didn't had a good base to work and improve on. Reality, however, is different.

As said countless times before: it's okay to not like a game (or like it but have issues with it, like I do which is also the reason why I'm not playing as much AoE 4 as I would like to).

What's not okay is constantly coming back to it and adding nothing valuable to the conversation apart from "haha lol AoE 4 bad".
You say you don't care about AoE 4? Well, seems more like it's living rent free in your head.

[Cacomistle]

引用自 grraf：

@Cacomistle 'akshually' the sky is bluish purple as the short wavelengths that scatter across the sky correspond to the colors blue and violet , yet the cone cells in our eyes that detect color aren't very sensitive to violet, so we see the sky as blue... pretty much the same way that AoE IV fans see their beloved game as a masterpiece while the rest of the sane world sees it at best as a 'mustard piece' or at worse a 'turd piece'

Sry brah you were literally asking for it, so I had to deliver :ridethebull:

The rest of the world doesn't care about your beloved aoe2 either. If we're gonna talk reality, your game is worse than fortnite by every objective measurement.

So what? I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ what's popular, I'll play aoe2 or aoe4 over fortnite any day.

Your unprincipled appeal to popularity isn't compelling.

And yeah the sky thing has a lot of "well technically". For example right now its night time where I live, so the sky is not blue, its black. Not sure why that's the expression for something really obvious, but it is, so that's what I used.

[Leedleleedlele]

Its a flop in terms of not being an E sport. It seems players that weren't looking for a competitive E sport enjoy the game as a casual little whatever rts. Either the devs or modders should just try to make the game more like Aoe2 so that it can be a competive E sport. And make the graphics a little less cartoony and fix the calvary animations. Would be nice if the devs would just remake Aoe2 using this engine like most of the work is already done. They could charge $70 for it and people would buy it.

[PotatoScav]

Because this game is not AOE3 as much as I wish it to be.
There are no Line infantry
1 mangonel obliterate any blob of infantry INCLUDING THE IMPERIAL AGE one
On the other hand the cannon damage is springald but slightly better. Thats it.
It doesnt even have a proper splash damage radius.

2 different complete game.

People playing AOE4 is much less likely play AOE3 the same so

People change and play them interchangeably,