player numbers?

[Haak]

how can this game have 10k average players only, I mean the game is great and the title is mainstream famous. And during free weekends it only jumps to 30-35 k. I know some also also play on gamepass

[Lotor13]

IMO, the RTS genre with "classic" base building is kind of minor genre today.

Only game with bigger player-base on steam is... AoE2 DE

Hepefully, if AoE4 will receive new DLCs with more civs, SP campaigns, missions, co-op etc,

[Many-Named]

aoe2/sc 2 wont die so most of the RTS community, or what is left of it is still there.

Also relic is very sloppy nowadays, always one step forward then one stop backward, literally stalling its own community and the whole genre.

[HunterAOX]

Not many game modes and that doesn't help new players to play RTS games.

Custom games are the most played after 1vs1 rank. But theres not much else for a casual player. Play the campaign might like multiplayer or find a new game

[Iron Horse]

The majority of RTS gamers show up for the campaign......given they like the campaign they may have stuck around for the multiplayer.

AOE4 is trying to push and funnel someone into competitive multiplayer. Maybe someone just wants to play around with the campaigns, map editor, and role play in skirmish mode? Maybe if they do go into multiplayer, they hang around the noob brackets? They wall up, and research everything, and probably lose to someone with experience. Did they have fun?

70% or so of the RTS audience has tended to be people who show up for the campaign. It should be a full game given someone just would like to play offline. The AOE4 campaign is really dry. and doesn't follow a hero story. Just comparing the AOE2 Braveheart Tutorial to the AOE4 Tutorial......there is miles of distance.

People didn't get into Starcraft or Warcraft RTS for the competitive mutliplayer. They enjoyed the game and stuck around. People playing around with Warcraft III, fan made mods, they launched DOTA, which launched League of Legends, and so on. Why were people there in the first place? They enjoyed the base game.

One of my favorite game modes in AOE2 was Regicide on mr.fixitonline.com. It would be FFA where things were slowed down, and diplomacy happened. You cannot do that with AOE4?

[Lotor13]

@Iron Horse

Do You have any proof for Your statements? - "The majority of RTS gamers show up for the campaign" "70% or so of the RTS audience has tended to be people who show up for the campaign."

Originally posted by Iron Horse:

AOE4 is trying to push and funnel someone into competitive multiplayer. Maybe someone just wants to play around with the campaigns, map editor, and role play in skirmish mode?

How does AoE4 try to push someone into competitive multiplayer? If I want, I can play campaigns or skirmish mode, and just ignore the multiplayer. same as previous AoE games or other RTS. I do not know what do You mean with role play

Originally posted by Iron Horse:

The AOE4 campaign is really dry. and doesn't follow a hero story. Just comparing the AOE2 Braveheart Tutorial to the AOE4 Tutorial......there is miles of distance.

Yes, it does not follow AoE2 template and does not have 1 hero protagonist (like in real history), and... it is good. It follows the certain historical period, as a history enthusiast , I consider AoE4 Hundreads Year's War campaign better than AoE2 Joan of Arc. AoE4 campaign is far more interesting than AoE2

Few missions are streamlined, but otherwise AoE4 campaigns are great.

AoE2 William Wallace is good only because of nostalgia,

[Haak]

well I never said aoe 4 is dead at all, 10k people and if 2-4k of these plays online, that's a huge online community many games dream of, you only need 2 people atleast to play. I think it will take many years before this is dead, and they probably keeps making the game better, as they already have done. But I just think the numbers look small when I compare it with the title and the gameplay is amazing. I am looking forward to an rts called Tempest Rising, if that game is gonna have 10k players after a year of release, I will call it a huge succes and a game with lots of players.

[Haak]

+ the gamepass players, but I guess it might succes on xbox one as Aoe 2 did, and it might fit better for the xbox than aoe 2, since I could imaigne the micro with not hitting arrorws is quite hard in Aoe 2.

[Haak]

make it free to play online, with one civ available I think that model could increase it's playerbase, and even more might buy it too and try the campaigns out or the other civs.

[Lotor13]

Originally posted by Haak:

well I never said aoe 4 is dead at all, 10k people and if 2-4k of these plays online, that's a huge online community many games dream of, you only need 2 people atleast to play. I think it will take many years before this is dead, and they probably keeps making the game better, as they already have done. But I just think the numbers look small when I compare it with the title and the gameplay is amazing.

Just compare with other "big" RTS title - Company of Heroes , it is big name, good gameplay , and the playerbase is not bigger than AoE4

Originally posted by Haak:

I am looking forward to an rts called Tempest Rising, if that game is gonna have 10k players after a year of release, I will call it a huge succes and a game with lots of players.

Tempest Rising looks great, I am thinking about pre-order, whwn it will be available, and I share same opinion with You, if Tempest Rising will have 10k players after a year of release, it will be big succes for it.

If somebody is curious, it is up-coming RTS in "classic" Command & Conquer style

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1486920/Tempest_Rising/

[Large C]

yep best rts ww but processor requirements make it unplayeble for many, but 5k+ players is very good to have nice battles on the multiplayer, theres also player from other plataform not steam, ok no more tlks lets play 3vs3 or 4vs4 ranked

[Many-Named]

Originally posted by LargeCaca:

yep best rts ww but processor requirements make it unplayeble for many, but 5k+ players is very good to have nice battles on the multiplayer, theres also player from other plataform not steam, ok no more tlks lets play 3vs3 or 4vs4 ranked :pogcher:

which other platforms??

[FloosWorld]

Originally posted by karoten2:

Originally posted by Iron Horse:

The AOE4 campaign is really dry. and doesn't follow a hero story. Just comparing the AOE2 Braveheart Tutorial to the AOE4 Tutorial......there is miles of distance.

Yes, it does not follow AoE2 template and does not have 1 hero protagonist (like in real history), and... it is good. It follows the certain historical period, as a history enthusiast , I consider AoE4 Hundreads Year's War campaign better than AoE2 Joan of Arc. AoE4 campaign is far more interesting than AoE2

Few missions are streamlined, but otherwise AoE4 campaigns are great.

AoE2 William Wallace is good only because of nostalgia,

Iron Horse as a point here tho. Presentation-wise, AoE 4's campaigns are superb but they have several shortcomings:

• Mostly only 1v1
  
• You're always blue as opposed to AoE 2 where you have different colours in the campaigns. such as Red for Barbarossa, Green for Montezuma, Orange for Genghis Khan, Yellow for Attila etc.
  
• Some missions boil down to a glorified cinematic (e.g. Hastings). Compare Hastings in AoE 4 to the AoE 2 counterpart where you have the Battle at Stamford Bridge attached to it.
  
• Some campaigns skip huge parts of history, such as the Hundred Year's War campaign

Ornlu did a detailed analysis of the AoE 4 campaigns. Note, that there's some bias as he has an AoE 2 background but imo he nails it - feel free to watch it as it's a bit longer :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ii5c7wMwho

[Large C]

Originally posted by Many-Named:

Originally posted by LargeCaca:

yep best rts ww but processor requirements make it unplayeble for many, but 5k+ players is very good to have nice battles on the multiplayer, theres also player from other plataform not steam, ok no more tlks lets play 3vs3 or 4vs4 ranked

which other platforms??

ppl who bought from microsoft / xbox store

[Many-Named]

Originally posted by LargeCaca:

Originally posted by Many-Named:

which other platforms??

ppl who bought from microsoft / xbox store

Ah ok thanks

[Duke H. Vytantis]

Game is great? Wtf the thing released as full-release with less sh1t in it than AOE1 & RoR expansion which is a game that came out two and a half decades ago.