Is Age of Empires IV ever going to release more civs?

[haploki]

I have to say I'm less than thrilled with this iteration of Age of Empires. I grew up on the first 3 loving working my way through the many campaigns with many different cultures. This one seems like it's just another battle royal money grab with zero substance beyond the base campaigns. Only so many times you can play them through. And let's face it, other human beings tend to suck the fun out of multiplayer game-play unless your running a LAN party with people you know. Where are the new cultures? Exactly why did I waste my money if they are never coming?

[[6thR.S.] TartanClad]

引用自 FloosWorld：

Small correction: OG AoE 2 had 13 civs, the 1st addon (The Conquerors) which came out in 2000 added another 5.

Consider me corrected, thank you. I do stand by my point though that the original civs were essentially carbon copies of each other up to a small group of aesthetics and similar gameplay, with occasional unique units. They cannot be fairly compared with AoE4 in simple terms of how many civs there are.

[Sir Moisty Capybara]

引用自 karoten2：

引用自 Sir Moisty Capybara：

U hadnt said anything worth even responding, while if you want, you could actually talk about many points from my comment, try to debunk those or anything and it would be worth for me more even if you are in total disagreement with me - which is entire point of being on forum.

I made few important points here on this forum, that I would like to highlight

引用自 karoten2：

I just wanted to notice numbers of civs in original AoE games

AoE1 - 12 civs
AoE2 - 12 civs
AoE3 - 8 civs
AoE4 - 8 civs
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AoM is a special case
3 mechanicaly different civilisations
With major and minor gods serving as "subfactions" providing aditional units, technologies and bonuses

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引用自 karoten2：

Back to the "civilisations number" Lets compare the other RTS classic

1998 StarCraft 1 - 3 "civs"
2010 StarCraft 2 - 3 "civs"

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引用自 karoten2：

All original Age of Empires games had comparable ammout of content at release

That is the point here

"I'll throw everything and see what sticks."

1/ and 2/ doesn't really matter at this point

But, I will endure this and say: CoH2 has 5 factions. Amount of playstyles that you can employ is way bigger than AoE4 ever be, even without additional features that AoE4 has, both taken from CoH2 and AoE2.

Early LT, vehicle spam, cheap unit spam, sniper / mg, artillery play...

How different is civ really if every playstyle finishes on all siege meta that was case at release? Maybe you can find 2 and 3 additionals ones. And prove me wrong if you can. I'm open to arguments that actually tells why I'm wrong. If not, then maybe you are in wrong, but trying to for all of the cost prove every single point that actually fit your current mood but not tangible opinions.

3/ I responded to but you neglected entirety of response.

to sum it up:
AoE4 lacked qualities of AoE1 like
- editor
- taunts

AoE4 lacked qualities of AoE2 like
- ability to choose color
- specialized vo for both in-game and pre mission screens

some of those may be added after year of waiting, while still people are having issues with basic content of AoE4. AI that proves no challenge? Check. Editor that is hard to use? Check. Honestly I could strive for more, but simply saying that AoE1 / AoE2 and AoE4 has same content at launch is just lie.

actually, if you want to defend AoE4, content wise actually AoE4 provided more missions than AoE2 AOK. Of course at cost of quality of said missions.

So you said your opinion and assumed that is fact without adding any tangible evidence to actually prove your case.

引用自 karoten2：

引用自 Sir Moisty Capybara：

Yes-men like you and bubs (with your "but bruh - one liner" while someone even dares to criticize or say negative opinion about this game) for me, and for many of people coming here and actually wanting to gain knowledge your input is almost worthless. So I abide by my previous and yes, actually your posts are equally worthless. Also you can simply block me or spam clown emotes like I know you are doing.

1/ At the first, I must claim, that I have not give You single clown award :WH3_greasus_rofl: but yes... You deserve it

2/ I critize AoE4 too

3/ If "some people people coming here and actually wanting to gain knowledge", your input and posts are wothless, not mine

Simple, because You are person, who is "fighting his fight against windmills" here on forum.

1/ IDC

2/ ok... when? I'm not going to scroll your SF posts.

Funniest part, is that actually I have 2/3 of your playtime on Steam with this game. Also last game - 26 of September. Yet you are here all and high talking us how AoE4 is best of AoE.

3/ "no u" level of argument.

[spielerinchen]

i am still waiting for an addon with new civs. i played AOE3 to death, bought it after all civs were out & it was a joy to get through all the civs with their special quirks. AOE4 with 8 civs, that's poor. so yeah, not buying, still waiting for an addon.

[Sir Moisty Capybara]

引用自 spielerinchen：

i am still waiting for an addon with new civs. i played AOE3 to death, bought it after all civs were out & it was a joy to get through all the civs with their special quirks. AOE4 with 8 civs, that's poor. so yeah, not buying, still waiting for an addon.

nowadays its with 10, with addition of Malians and Ottomans, but no Asian or Scandinavian civs yet.

[[OG] Brandoid]

everyone out here forgetting the best age game before aoe4 came out, Age of Empires: Online.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfuXt2B-aKg

[haploki]

引用自 6thR.S. TartanClad：

I wouldn't say you wasted your money. You have 10 civilisations with unique gameplay, tactics and aesthetics, plus 4 campaigns.

The original Age of Empires 2 had 11 civilisations, which shared only 4 cultural aesthetics (making them largely copies of one another) and largely played the same way except for some special modifiers, as well as 5 campaigns.

This was only broadened after the HD edition came out over a decade later and started bringing out paid expansions.

All in all, if you take the amount of effort put into each faction, AoE4 has certainly matched AoE2 in terms of early content in my opinion. You can expect more civilisations over time and hopefully more campaigns too, I'm sure.

I think you ignored my original post.

I am lamenting the lack of any play beyond MMO, which many people hate.

For single player there are only four campaigns, ie 4 Civs. NOT 10.

In the original, since it was completely one player, the 11 civs you speak of actually had back-story.

If I wanted to just mess around on maps and get yelled at by immature children, I'd still be playing Starcraft.

[Sir Moisty Capybara]

引用自 haploki：

引用自 6thR.S. TartanClad：

I wouldn't say you wasted your money. You have 10 civilisations with unique gameplay, tactics and aesthetics, plus 4 campaigns.

The original Age of Empires 2 had 11 civilisations, which shared only 4 cultural aesthetics (making them largely copies of one another) and largely played the same way except for some special modifiers, as well as 5 campaigns.

This was only broadened after the HD edition came out over a decade later and started bringing out paid expansions.

All in all, if you take the amount of effort put into each faction, AoE4 has certainly matched AoE2 in terms of early content in my opinion. You can expect more civilisations over time and hopefully more campaigns too, I'm sure.

I think you ignored my original post.

I am lamenting the lack of any play beyond MMO, which many people hate.

For single player there are only four campaigns, ie 4 Civs. NOT 10.

In the original, since it was completely one player, the 11 civs you speak of actually had back-story.

If I wanted to just mess around on maps and get yelled at by immature children, I'd still be playing Starcraft.

Actually only Saracens, Teutons, Mongols, Celts and Franks if I recall correctly. Rest got their time in AoC

[Lotor13]

引用自 haploki：

引用自 6thR.S. TartanClad：

I wouldn't say you wasted your money. You have 10 civilisations with unique gameplay, tactics and aesthetics, plus 4 campaigns.

The original Age of Empires 2 had 11 civilisations, which shared only 4 cultural aesthetics (making them largely copies of one another) and largely played the same way except for some special modifiers, as well as 5 campaigns.

This was only broadened after the HD edition came out over a decade later and started bringing out paid expansions.

All in all, if you take the amount of effort put into each faction, AoE4 has certainly matched AoE2 in terms of early content in my opinion. You can expect more civilisations over time and hopefully more campaigns too, I'm sure.

I think you ignored my original post.

I am lamenting the lack of any play beyond MMO, which many people hate.

For single player there are only four campaigns, ie 4 Civs. NOT 10.

In the original, since it was completely one player, the 11 civs you speak of actually had back-story.

If I wanted to just mess around on maps and get yelled at by immature children, I'd still be playing Starcraft.

What do You talking about?

Original Age of Empires has 3 campaigns - Voice of Babylon, Glory of Greece, and Yamato

Original Age of Empires 2 has 4 campaigns - Joan of Arc (Franks), Barbarossa (Teutons), Genghis Khan (Mongols), Saladin (Saracens)

+ simple tutorial campaigns

[Sir Moisty Capybara]

引用自 karoten2：

引用自 haploki：

I think you ignored my original post.

I am lamenting the lack of any play beyond MMO, which many people hate.

For single player there are only four campaigns, ie 4 Civs. NOT 10.

In the original, since it was completely one player, the 11 civs you speak of actually had back-story.

If I wanted to just mess around on maps and get yelled at by immature children, I'd still be playing Starcraft.

What do You talking about?

Original Age of Empires has 3 campaigns - Voice of Babylon, Glory of Greece, and Yamato

Original Age of Empires 2 has 4 campaigns - Joan of Arc (Franks), Barbarossa (Teutons), Genghis Khan (Mongols), Saladin (Saracens)

+ simple tutorial campaigns

simple tutorial campaign which actually had more going for than AoE4 scenarios.

[Ash//Fox]

The game got an expansion about 1 year exactly after release, calm down. This is a very normal period for the developers to be putting out DLC. You have to understand this from a game design principle. Age of Empires 2 had so many different civs because there was much less that distinguished them there was a few unique techs, some minor bonuses like +1 archer range starting in castle age, etc. that's why AoE2 now has like 40 different civs. AoE4 has a lot more that makes civilizations unique and special, so they will never have as many civs as 2 does, but settle yourself instead of wondering if no more are coming a few months after the last civs dropped. Age of Empires 3 came out with the same number of civs in October 2005, Warchiefs came out in October 2006, Dynasties in October 2007. We are very much on course.

[Sir Moisty Capybara]

引用自 Ash//Fox：

The game got an expansion about 1 year exactly after release, calm down. This is a very normal period for the developers to be putting out DLC. You have to understand this from a game design principle. Age of Empires 2 had so many different civs because there was much less that distinguished them there was a few unique techs, some minor bonuses like +1 archer range starting in castle age, etc. that's why AoE2 now has like 40 different civs. AoE4 has a lot more that makes civilizations unique and special, so they will never have as many civs as 2 does, but settle yourself instead of wondering if no more are coming a few months after the last civs dropped. Age of Empires 3 came out with the same number of civs in October 2005, Warchiefs came out in October 2006, Dynasties in October 2007. We are very much on course.

yet still I fail to spot much difference between different civs playstyles, until those are forced ones [mongols, rus].

[Bubs]

don't play every civ the same

[Lotor13]

引用自 Sir Moisty Capybara：

引用自 karoten2：

What do You talking about?

Original Age of Empires has 3 campaigns - Voice of Babylon, Glory of Greece, and Yamato

Original Age of Empires 2 has 4 campaigns - Joan of Arc (Franks), Barbarossa (Teutons), Genghis Khan (Mongols), Saladin (Saracens)

+ simple tutorial campaigns

simple tutorial campaign which actually had more going for than AoE4 scenarios.

No

In William Wallace (AoE2) or Egypt (AoE1) campaigns is 1 mission for moving units, 1 mission for collecting resources, 1 mission for advancing to next age, 1 mission for training units etc

In AoE4 (and AoE3) is all in mission

+ There are Art of War missions in AoE4

[Crumb]

引用自 Ash//Fox：

The game got an expansion about 1 year exactly after release, calm down. This is a very normal period for the developers to be putting out DLC. You have to understand this from a game design principle. Age of Empires 2 had so many different civs because there was much less that distinguished them there was a few unique techs, some minor bonuses like +1 archer range starting in castle age, etc. that's why AoE2 now has like 40 different civs. AoE4 has a lot more that makes civilizations unique and special, so they will never have as many civs as 2 does, but settle yourself instead of wondering if no more are coming a few months after the last civs dropped. Age of Empires 3 came out with the same number of civs in October 2005, Warchiefs came out in October 2006, Dynasties in October 2007. We are very much on course.

Finally the voice of reason

[Sir Moisty Capybara]

引用自 karoten2：

引用自 Sir Moisty Capybara：

simple tutorial campaign which actually had more going for than AoE4 scenarios.

No

In William Wallace (AoE2) or Egypt (AoE1) campaigns is 1 mission for moving units, 1 mission for collecting resources, 1 mission for advancing to next age, 1 mission for training units etc

In AoE4 (and AoE3) is all in mission

+ There are Art of War missions in AoE4

Yes.

Simply because they put some effort into actually making tutorial into cohesive story with voice over, while AoE4 simply says: "fk this, lets regress from standards that AoE had from AoE2".

Also design wise, some AoE4 missions are glorified slumbers similar to Razzia from Berbers campaign, or RPG lites, that are similar if not lower than some custom scenarios that you actually can find in AoE2.

"Art of War" is the one of the simplest type of campaign type that you can craft.