Bee nest overpowered ?

[BaBayonette]

I know they are just an upgraded version of Mangonel, but i do think they are overpowered,(i play english) whenever there is a new patch making stronger a civ everyone play them, it's just so boring, i now only encounter chinese player that will just sit and do bee nest and destry my whole armies, i'm superior in terms of Eco, superior in terms of number and upgrade of unit but whenever those stupid bee nest are here, i know i just lost the game. i know you could make springalds but theyre just useless when the bee nest litteraly destroy the whole army, so the chinese can now just rush your springalds

[skooma]

They worse than mangonels tbh, you have to learn to micro better sounds like, and yeah a few springs should stop nest of bees if micro properly, chinese broken tho, i have not found out a way to beat them comfortably yet either.

[PeteSkTemplar]

For me whole siege arsenal is like though historical textures but modern efficiency, just too much. It reminds me bit AOE III where easiest but disgusting tactic (at least against AI and not good players) was to spam artillery and all else was not needed even not worth. AOE IV is not that bad but still siege units are too good and too spammable.

It would be fun if bombard after 5 shots broke down so player would use that against keep and nothing else and no spamming them for example because they would be "consumable".

[ARCAGNELL0]

The Nest Of Bees is in every way worse than the Mangonel in castle age and almost a waste of pop space in imperial, especially because of its bugs but also due to the way it deals damage.

The Nest Of bees should be doing 12 damage per rocket arrow in imperial since Chinese get the Chemistry Upgrade increasing gunpowder unit damage by 20%, but it stays at ten.

To make things even worse, the Nest Of Bugs even has a completely borked damage model that will stop firing its 8 shots whenever the target it's firing at dies or it goes either inside minimum or outside maximum ranges, barely having it fire half of its shots most of the time unless you autistically micro it to strike ground instead every 5 seconds.

And what is worse about all of this is that unlike the Mangonel the Nest Of Bugs can't even hit the same unit with all of its projectiles. A trio of Mangonels will delete pretty much any infantry blob with one, two volleys, while you actually need more than 6 nests of bees to do the same job the same way.

I'm aware China has some rather overtuned units in the form of the Fire Lancer and the bombard, but don't go chasing demons that do not exist. The Nest Of Bugs would still be more disappointing than a mangonel even if all its firing bugs got fixed and it costed 2 pop to field instead of 3...

[ARCAGNELL0]

引用自 Tawm：

If you're letting your player sit and mass artillery units that build slowly from only 1 landmark you're not playing competitively enough to make game balance judgements

Well to be perfectly honest I tend to have an Imperial Official boosting its production speed to 300% at all times whenever the Astronomical Clocktower goes up, so it's more like 3 siege workshops instead of one.

It does mean the Chinese siege is going to have to travel across half the map to get to you
-which you could intercept- but it's definetly not slow producing at all.

[Xaphnir]

They're not an upgraded mangonel. They're a downgraded mangonel.

[BaBayonette]

引用自 Tawm：

If you're letting your player sit and mass artillery units that build slowly from only 1 landmark you're not playing competitively enough to make game balance judgements

Found the chinese player

[Despiser]

Depends on how you use them. If you have enough of them you can tear through the enemy before they can damage them with minimal support