Age of Empires IV: Anniversary Edition

Age of Empires IV: Anniversary Edition

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No Greeks?
Why don't we have a Greek Civ in AOE 4??? :'(
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Ratham Oct 28, 2021 @ 8:19pm 
Because this is a medieval-era game and not ancient?
Samseng Yik Oct 28, 2021 @ 8:26pm 
Year 900 - 1600
jonoliveira12 Oct 28, 2021 @ 8:31pm 
Originally posted by Ratham:
Because this is a medieval-era game and not ancient?

Still needs Byzantines, the most important empire throughout most of the Middle Ages.
In fact, the whole period ended with them.
poke_ravi Oct 28, 2021 @ 8:36pm 
Greeks were not their own nation during this time period. If you want Greeks you can play AoE 1.
jonoliveira12 Oct 28, 2021 @ 8:40pm 
Originally posted by poke_ravi:
Greeks were not their own nation during this time period. If you want Greeks you can play AoE 1.

They did have their own nation: The Roman Empire.
Byzantium was a Greek state.

There was also Bactria, that survived until the very beginning of the timeframe, but it was a minor power by then.
Dasparado Oct 28, 2021 @ 9:14pm 
Without the Byzantine Empire, a GREEK empire otherwise known as the eastern Roman Empire which endured almost 1000 years longer than the west did, it could be argued the entire western world would of been destroyed. The Theodosian walls kept Constantinople safe for centuries until the Ottomans finally took them out in 1453 (This marks the darkest days in GREEK history and in the Orthodox church). Sparta/Greece gets credit for securing democracy from the Persians, but its really the Byzantines that kept the western world safe. The Byzantine Cataphracts were legendary and who could not forget the Varangian Guard, ultra cool Norse mercenaries that hailed from Rus/Scandinavia in search of money and glory in service to the Emperor. It amazes me how often the Byzantines get skipped over. They are in my opinion the coolest empire of all time.
ElviraDemonQueen Oct 28, 2021 @ 9:25pm 
Age of Empires online hase GREEK but its more a cartoon game just watch out
Prosecutor Lurker Oct 28, 2021 @ 10:27pm 
Greece was irrlevent in middle ages. Byzantines is not a exclusive mono homogenious ethnicity empire, it encompassed slavs, romans, arabs, armenians, avars, italians and etc. however if they do plan to put the byzantines in the future the medieval greek would be used from the castle age onwards and previously it would be latin language
Cicerosolo Nov 20, 2021 @ 10:38pm 
Originally posted by Prosecutor Lurker:
Greece was irrlevent in middle ages. Byzantines is not a exclusive mono homogenious ethnicity empire, it encompassed slavs, romans, arabs, armenians, avars, italians and etc. however if they do plan to put the byzantines in the future the medieval greek would be used from the castle age onwards and previously it would be latin language

Great post. No authoritative scholar on the Eastern Roman Empire identifies it as a Greek state. It's only ever ethnic Greeks or ancestral ethic Greeks who make the argument. It was the direct continuation of the Roman State into the Medieval period. Yes, from the middle of the 7th century the administrative language shifted to Greek but that was because that was the primary language of those areas that continued to exist after the Arab invasions. Language is all these people ever have to go off. But anyway, the Empire does need to be in AOE4 and soon.
Xaphnir Jan 6, 2022 @ 12:27pm 
Originally posted by Dasparado:
Without the Byzantine Empire, a GREEK empire otherwise known as the eastern Roman Empire which endured almost 1000 years longer than the west did, it could be argued the entire western world would of been destroyed. The Theodosian walls kept Constantinople safe for centuries until the Ottomans finally took them out in 1453 (This marks the darkest days in GREEK history and in the Orthodox church). Sparta/Greece gets credit for securing democracy from the Persians, but its really the Byzantines that kept the western world safe. The Byzantine Cataphracts were legendary and who could not forget the Varangian Guard, ultra cool Norse mercenaries that hailed from Rus/Scandinavia in search of money and glory in service to the Emperor. It amazes me how often the Byzantines get skipped over. They are in my opinion the coolest empire of all time.

Hey remember when the Byzantines' power was broken by the western world 250 years before the Ottomans took Constantinople?
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PeteSkTemplar Jan 6, 2022 @ 1:03pm 
Until today they call themselves Romans, though speek greek.
jonoliveira12 Jan 6, 2022 @ 1:10pm 
Originally posted by blueradar1:
Originally posted by Xaphnir:

Hey remember when the Byzantines' power was broken by the western world 250 years before the Ottomans took Constantinople?

Yeah because while the HRE and the Franks were hunting witches, getting drunk and making a bad name for Christianity, the Byzantines kept the Arabs at bay.


Witch Hunts are not from the Middle Ages, they are from the "Enlightenment".
Furthermore, Byzantine orgies were famous for setting up rivers of flowing wine, and the drunken debauchery that followed. It was even seen as the high of civilization, to get so drunk one may die from alcohol poisoning.
PeteSkTemplar Jan 6, 2022 @ 2:12pm 
Not religous (catholic / protestant) but : Regional Influences
Local factors, not religious loyalties, determined the severity of witch persecutions. Roman law on the continent was harsher than English common law. Prosecuting maleficium alone, as England and Scandanavia did, yielded fewer victims than prosecuting diabolism (Scotland and Germany) or white magic (Lorraine and France). Unlimited torture in Germany induced more confessions than the limited torture in the Franche-Comté region in France. English third-degree methods such as sleep-deprivation were also effective ways of raising the number of convictions.

Ignoring denunciations procured through torture preserved Denmark from Germany's dreadful chain-reaction panics in which accused witches would in turn finger other witches. "Spectral evidence" from accusers' dreams was a significant prosecution device in Salem. Finding a witch's mark insensitive to pricking "or a witch's teat," on which familiars allegedly fed, secured convictions in Scotland and England; uncertainty about the credibility of witch's marks won acquittals in Geneva. Child witnesses — often malicious liars — proved deadly in Sweden, the Basque country in Spain, Germany, and England(the hysteria resembled that surrounding the sex-abuse charges brought against U.S. day-care centers during the 1980s).

Professional witch-finders had dire impact. The best-known of these freelance accusers was England's Matthew Hopkins, who doomed up to 200 people from 1645 through 1647. But special inquisitors or investigative committees were also lethal. Local judges were usually harsher than professional jurists from outside the community. Reviews of convictions by central authorities spared accused witches in Denmark, France, Sweden, and Austria. An informal appeal from ministers outside Salem halted the panic there.

Witch-hunting was typically part of broader campaigns to repress unruly behavior and impose religious orthodoxies. The hunt played out in a world of shrinking opportunities for ordinary folk. Early modern village economies were often zero-sum games, where the death of a cow could ruin a family. Peasants were locked into face-to-face contact with their neighbor-enemies. Feuds could last for generations.

The poorest and most marginalized people in communities were the most common targets of the witch-hunts, but sometimes social subordinates and even children turned the tables by accusing their wealthy superiors of witchcraft.

Women were more prominent than men at witchcraft trials, both as accused and as accusers. Not only did Sprenger's image of women as the more lustful and malicious sex generate suspicions; the fact that women had a lower social status than men made them easier to accuse. In most regions, about 80 percent of the alleged witches killed were female. Women were then as likely to be accused witches as men were to be saints or violent criminals. That was because women typically fought with curses instead of steel. Although the stereotype did not always fit, the British witch was usually seen as irascible, aggressive, unneighborly, and often repulsive — hardly the gentle healer of neopagan fantasy. Her colorful curses could blight everything down to "the little pig that lieth in the sty." She magnified her powers to frighten others and extort favors. If she could not be loved, she meant to be feared.

Alternatively, the witches of Lorraine were said to be "fine and crafty, careful not to quarrel with people or threaten them. Effusive compliments were signs of suspected witchcraft in Lorraine, and suppressed anger could be ominous. Being innocent of the impossible crimes associated with witchcraft did not necessarily mean that witch-hunt victims were "nice." Some were prostitutes, beggars, or petty criminals. Austria's Zauberjäeckl trials (1675-1690) punished as witches people who were actually dangerous felons. The Magic Jacket Society prosecuted in those trials was a Baroque version of the Hell's Angels, recruiting waifs whom it controlled through black magic, sodomy, and conjurations with mice. The prince-archbishop of Salzburg, Austria, graciously forbade executing members of the society who were under the age of twelve. But 200 others were put to death.

https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/common-misconceptions/who-burned-the-witches.html
jonoliveira12 Jan 6, 2022 @ 2:12pm 
Originally posted by blueradar1:
Plenty of Witch hunt in the Middle Ages, predominantly in Catholic states despite most people associating them with the Enlightment. As for everything else, never heard of it and couldn't find anything on the net either, so perhaps you are confused.

On the contrary, people associate them with the Middle Ages, when they were rare, but not with the Enlightenment, in which they were so common, they were law.

Witch Hunts came about when society became far more secular, and sought out to eliminate ALL non-organized religion, as it was a call back to the wilderness. They were also FAR MORE PREVALENT in Protestant states and regions.

Other products of the Enlightenment are:
-Race sciences
-Chatel Slavery
-Purposeful genocides
-Spreading plagues with the purpose of depopulating areas
-Large scale drug smuggling to destabilize states
-Forced adoptions of children in alien societies, to "break the savage out of them".

All in all, the Enlightenment has the Medieval period beat, in everything one could call an "Age of Darkness".

I am not confused. Byzantines had famous palace orgies, and debauched festivities. They drank FAR more than the Franks and the Germans, even by virtue of being able to actually produce a lot more alcoholic beverages than both of them combined.
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jonoliveira12 Jan 6, 2022 @ 4:18pm 
The Witch Hunts peaked in the 17th century, and mostly under Protestant watch.
How is any of that Medieval?

I am not a "Medieval nut", I am just not illiterate, or take my opinions on older times from Hollywood.

The Enlightenment was the second most brutal period in human History, the first being what followed: the Industrial Age.

Medieval Europe had no Chatel Slavery, as there were no means to enact it, since states were too decentralized.
You just do not know History at all, I am afraid. Specially Medieval History!
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