Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon

Tainted Grail: The Fall of Avalon

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Limone May 23 @ 10:35am
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Don't support AI Art. It's theft
If you don't know, Awaken Realms is a company that made boardgames before videogames. Tainted Grail was one of them. It used to be one of my favorite boardgame companies of all time, until they heavily started investing into AI art. Their past projects for the past 2 years all used AI art, which is heavily criticized in the boardgaming space.

If you don't wanna support AI art, which is created soullessly by AI models trained on stolen Art don't support this company. Better support games that have been created by passionate artists and developers instead.

If you throw money at companies using AI, in the future movies, music, games and literature will all be created by AI, to reduce costs, cut corners and cash in on this trend.

Ask yourself if you want soulless quantity over creative quality.

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Copy/Patse AI Statement on Boardgames past 2 years. No Videogame statement yet.

"We are using different technologies, including AI tools, to various degrees - from built-in Photoshop capabilities (intelligent brushes, advanced texturing, and some AI tools), Internal Stable Diffusion models, MJ models, pixel correction, scaling solutions and so on. Everything we use is screened and accepted by our legal team as fully legal to use."
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Zero Point World eater May 23 @ 10:39am 
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Right now we have an extremely rare scrolls like game that's full of passion from head to toe. Them doing something else with AI art, does not invalidate this thing they are doing. I do AI art and film making, yet I also work with charities and do some volunteer work. One does not negate another.
DreadEye2020 May 23 @ 10:40am 
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Dude, in less than 5 years AI will be everywhere, not only in games. Get used to it. Learn to use it.
HammerHand May 23 @ 10:42am 
Originally posted by DreadEye2020:
Dude, in less than 5 years AI will be everywhere, not only in games. Get used to it. Learn to use it.

They are correct. AI will be omni present in everything we do sooner or later. These "AI slop" people will be the last to openly adopt it even though they are likely already using it in some way, knowingly or unknowingly.
MadmanOfArkham May 23 @ 10:42am 
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Yup use a thing that steals art from actual artists. AI illegally scours art and uses it without the permission of the artists. Glad you morons are so cool with theft. Hope AI takes over your job and they release your pathetic asses
Scyris May 23 @ 10:48am 
Originally posted by HammerHand:
Originally posted by DreadEye2020:
Dude, in less than 5 years AI will be everywhere, not only in games. Get used to it. Learn to use it.

They are correct. AI will be omni present in everything we do sooner or later. These "AI slop" people will be the last to openly adopt it even though they are likely already using it in some way, knowingly or unknowingly.

I mean if they use google they use Ai, twitter/X same thing it also has a Ai thing that answers when you search. Its getting into everything these days, fighting against it is just silly. I mean if I need some art done, I can pay a artist and wait a week or more for them to finish it, or spend 30 seconds on a Ai to pop out a image, might need to tweak the keywords a bit, but its a hell of alot faster and cheaper, i'd kinda be more tempted to just use the Ai for most things.
It's the lack of inner agency that i don't appreciate about people jumping on the ai hate train, i think AI is extremely impersonal at times. It's not that I disagree that AI art has areas it's fundamentally negative. My issue is more with people that don't actually have the opinions they have. They aren't individuals, but rather joining in on something without really feeling into their truth.

Paradoxically, this is also what AI art itself does. it trains in on things that aren't itself. And by jumping on a bandwagon of hate the people criticising the ai art and BECOMING the same thing the bandwagon is criticising.

Point being, look inwards, all the things you project about in complaints are the things you need to address within yourself first,
Ravioli May 23 @ 10:51am 
Why is it, all the naysayers always have private profiles or low level accounts?
Scyris May 23 @ 10:51am 
Originally posted by Limone:
Originally posted by MadmanOfArkham:
Yup use a thing that steals art from actual artists. AI illegally scours art and uses it without the permission of the artists. Glad you morons are so cool with theft. Hope AI takes over your job and they release your pathetic asses
At least one sane person that understands the problem.

I mean if your that worried keep it behind a paywall? Once you put something on the internet out in pubic free its going to spread everywhere whether you like it or not. Its just the nature of the internet. Just so happens there is Ai bots now that will scour the net for samples to better itself now.

I mean unless your art style is very unique, I doubt your going to even be able to reconize it when a Ai uses part of it for a image etc. Eg the Studio Ghibi Ai, you could tell it was using their art style as they have a very unique art style they use.
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Kaezeribato May 23 @ 10:59am 
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Originally posted by Ravioli:
Why is it, all the naysayers always have private profiles or low level accounts?
Because some weird people think that checking people's profile when they have an argument can let them have a "gocha" moment.
So people put their profile in private to dodge some stalker.
Well judging from these comments. It seems at least people bothering to comment are no longer on the bandwagon. Good on you! We are evolving.
Kaezeribato May 23 @ 11:03am 
Originally posted by chollman82:
Originally posted by Limone:
A tool that is trained on stolen Art.

No, it isn't. AI uses other art for inspiration the same way a human does, so unless you're claiming that human artists "steal" from other artists merely by OBSERVING their work and taking inspiration from it then you're wrong. They only look at other people's work to learn from it, it is not stored in the final model.

I'm a firmware engineer of 18 years, I have written neural networks professionally... I know how they work.
AI cant have any "inspiration"... They dont think, they have neither sentience nor sentiment not even any intelect...
These are evolved program that mix things they have in their data bank, and said data bank are most of the time made of either stolen or shadily aquiered material.
Originally posted by MadmanOfArkham:
Yup use a thing that steals art from actual artists. AI illegally scours art and uses it without the permission of the artists. Glad you morons are so cool with theft. Hope AI takes over your job and they release your pathetic asses

Tell me you've never pirated before. Lie to me.
two of my buddies work for EA games right now - I can tell you without a doubt that they are also using AI at EVERY step of the game development - EVERY Company is!

Are you crazy? Why wouldn't they? Efficiency is key.
Limone May 23 @ 11:04am 
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I remember the vision that AI was meant to take over boring jobs, so humans would have more time to be creative. Now AI takes over the creative jobs, so we can work all day to spend money on this slop. Gotta love supporting this trend!
Originally posted by HBM Cryxalis:
Efficiency is key.
Lazyness is...
The actual reason dev use AI is not because it's faster but because they have no skill and are too lazy to learn.
This in turn lead to software that are barely optimized and since the dev didn't make the code but asked an AI to do it they dont even have the skill to optimize everythings proprely.

It's like someone that spend his time copying other's work, sure they are faster than people who make original, but in the end they are just skilless hack.
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