mabye better then skyrim

[PeterDes]

Now that you have improved the NPCs, you could also expand your character creation. I think a good RPG is where building your own character is important in terms of your connection with the game. More faces, more hairstyles. Other than that, I think this game, if you continue like this, will be the next big hit after Skyrim.

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Bandy:

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

Next time, don't get into arguments you are unequipped to pursue.

Edit your post next time to remove egregious redundancy

It was just a repeated paragraph due to an extra copy/paste. I think it's clear it is not a substantive redundancy, but merely a formatting error. I will not edit it out now.

Originally posted by Bandy:

You're simply locked in your opinion of what to include in the debate

I have provided grounded replies to every single one of your statements. Meanwhile, you have addressed none of mine.

Originally posted by Bandy:

and are simply a waste of time.

As opposed to you, who are refusing to even engage on the substance of the debate?

Originally posted by Bandy:

But again, you win, and hope your wounded ego heals with that generous gesture.

That is the second time you profess to leave the debate, yet you keep returning with nothing constructive to say, only vitriolic remarks. It seems you're the one with the "wounded ego" here.

Perhaps this time you will honor your own commitment and stay out for good. But most likely not, and with your next post will only debase yourself further.

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Bandy:

Originally posted by Jedasd:

Skyrim-like would be an open world rpg with equal emphasis on both sandbox and story. Not the best in either things but manages to find the perfect balance between them, making it and other BGS games very unique.

"perfect balance" and "unique" is perfectly subjective, especially without factoring in the mods you installed.

By now at least three people in this single thread have told you that "TES-like" or "Skyrim-like" games are in their own distinct category, thereby repeatedly disproving your initial claim to the opposite. And your only retort is that the views in question are "subjective"?

It may come as a surprise to you, but your own views are subjective (extremely so, as this discussion shows), so that is not an argument.

Originally posted by Bandy:

Look, I enjoyed modded skyrim just like everyone else, but putting that game on some pedestal as "perfect" well, delusional comes to mind...

Another personal attack, completely unprovoked. It seems you are simply incapable of holding a civilised debate.

Furthermore, you are blatantly distorting the other person's statement: Jedasd did not say Skyrim was "perfect", merely that it and other Skyrim-like games may be characterised by finding a "perfect balance" between "sandbox and story", while being "not the best in either things".

Finally, whether or not Skyrim and its type of games are "perfect" or provide any kind of "perfect balance" is immaterial to the subject of the debate: the important part is that there are criteria by which people differentiate Skyrim-like games into their own category (although these criteria may vary between people).

Originally posted by Bandy:

Have either of you even watched this? Take the time, enlighten and broaden your perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WZCvQ5J3pk

That's just the Skyrim opening sequence.

[frakthefriendly]

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

You will fail to point out any actual "redundancy" in my post just as you failed to address all of my other arguments.

Your post above--

(((The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).)))

Just for sake of the argument you guys are having, I agree there is a TES type of game.

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by frakthefriendly:

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

You will fail to point out any actual "redundancy" in my post just as you failed to address all of my other arguments.

Your post above--

(((The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).)))

Oh, you mean that. It's a formatting error, not substantive redundancy (just an extra copy/paste while moving text around). But yes, there is a repetition in the text, technically. I will not edit it out at this stage. I will have to amend my rather dismissive stance about it, though.

[Calubob]

Enderal, Nehrim, fo3, nv, fo4, KCD, Kcd2, Starfield, Tainted Grail FoA. These are the only TES likes i can think of.

Edit*
And ESO to some degree.

If anyone knows of others let me know.

[frakthefriendly]

Originally posted by Calubob:

Enderal, Nehrim, fo3, nv, fo4, KCD, Kcd2, Starfield, Tainted Grail FoA. These are the only TES likes i can think of.

Edit*
And ESO to some degree.

If anyone knows of others let me know.

I don't know most of those games. I'd like to if they are really TES like.

The only thing I personally disagree with is space games being TES like. I see where you are coming from and I'm not saying you are wrong, but TES to be has to be magic and medieval like also, IMHO.

I know starfield is from Bethesda so this will sound funny, but I don't get the TES feel from that game on many levels, especially the exploration feel.

[Calubob]

Originally posted by frakthefriendly:

Originally posted by Calubob:

Enderal, Nehrim, fo3, nv, fo4, KCD, Kcd2, Starfield, Tainted Grail FoA. These are the only TES likes i can think of.

Edit*
And ESO to some degree.

If anyone knows of others let me know.

I don't know most of those games. I'd like to if they are really TES like.

The only thing I personally disagree with is space games being TES like. I see where you are coming from and I'm not saying you are wrong, but TES to be has to be magic and medieval like also, IMHO.

I know starfield is from Bethesda so this will sound funny, but I don't get the TES feel from that game on many levels, especially the exploration feel.

Well Enderal and Nehrim are total conversions for Oblivion and Skyrim. Both are excellent and scratch a similar itch to TES but imo better story telling and a branching narrative. They are mods but they are done so well they truly feel like their own games.

[hoot hoot]

Skyrim is 12 years old, so i'd hope this game is an improvement.

Something to consider though is that Skyrim has a decade of mods that can transform the game into something no gaming studio can or would produce, so it's a little unfair. Vanilla, unmodded Skyrim is really basic by today's standards.

Skyrim's OST aside, though. It's still peak.

[hoot hoot]

Originally posted by frakthefriendly:

Originally posted by Calubob:

Enderal, Nehrim, fo3, nv, fo4, KCD, Kcd2, Starfield, Tainted Grail FoA. These are the only TES likes i can think of.

Edit*
And ESO to some degree.

If anyone knows of others let me know.

I don't know most of those games. I'd like to if they are really TES like.

The only thing I personally disagree with is space games being TES like. I see where you are coming from and I'm not saying you are wrong, but TES to be has to be magic and medieval like also, IMHO.

I know starfield is from Bethesda so this will sound funny, but I don't get the TES feel from that game on many levels, especially the exploration feel.

I'd really encourage Kingdom Come Deliverance. The sequel is coming next year, but the original holds up.

It's Skyrim-like in that it has an open world with a medieval setting and you play in first-person, but KCD is based in real history and so it's not a fantasy. The combat is more complex, but once you learn it (and you have to literally learn it both in gameplay terms and in-game since you start as someone who can't fight), it's a lot of fun.

Henry is a fun protagonist. You see him grow from a whiny kid to a knight.

[Calubob]

Originally posted by tired:

Originally posted by frakthefriendly:

I don't know most of those games. I'd like to if they are really TES like.

The only thing I personally disagree with is space games being TES like. I see where you are coming from and I'm not saying you are wrong, but TES to be has to be magic and medieval like also, IMHO.

I know starfield is from Bethesda so this will sound funny, but I don't get the TES feel from that game on many levels, especially the exploration feel.

I'd really encourage Kingdom Come Deliverance. The sequel is coming next year, but the original holds up.

It's Skyrim-like in that it has an open world with a medieval setting and you play in first-person, but KCD is based in real history and so it's not a fantasy. The combat is more complex, but once you learn it (and you have to literally learn it both in gameplay terms and in-game since you start as someone who can't fight), it's a lot of fun.

Henry is a fun protagonist. You see him grow from a whiny kid to a knight.

KCD is fantastic. It has a lot of what makes a TES game good (Skill progression, open world, hilariously bizarre ai that has its own unique charm) it's a great companion series to TES. And I'm happy for the competition.

[Narangren Tirthallion]

Originally posted by Bandy:

And no, nobody considers Elder scrolls games a genre unto themselves like Dark Souls ended up defining. Bethesda has a style of action-RPG but it is not a genre...

I found this game because of a YouTube video talking about "Scrolls-likes" as a subgenre.

https://youtu.be/Q6I51cdMffk?feature=shared

[Ki11s0n3]

Originally posted by Bandy:

There have been several "big hits" after skyrim, or are you one of those who have not been able to play anything else? Just curious, I was one of those for a while, so no judgement.

There have been better games to come out after Skyrim, but no games that are as close to Elder Scrolls gameplay style as this.

[Nightmarian]

Originally posted by Bandy:

There have been several "big hits" after skyrim, or are you one of those who have not been able to play anything else? Just curious, I was one of those for a while, so no judgement.

There hasn't been a single game like Skyrim since Skyrim. Not all open world games are magically fantasy sims.

And regardless, no game will ever beat Skyrim unless they openly embrace modding.

Also wanted to pop in to say you have absolutely on idea what you're talking about and are way too arrogant and self-centered to see it or have the humality to admit it.

[Cedunir]

Personally, I always count the “Piranha Bytes” games and the “Two Worlds" games as part of the genre.

[Kuddel]

Better than skyrim?
story? Hmm.
The KI of the mobs are extremly stupid.
animals exist only as deer, wolves and bears, thats it,
Professions?, cooking? alchemy? handicraft? Only for some quests, otherwise almost unnecessary.
If you need food for restoring health, you get more than you need.
As a mage you need nothing. no potions, no food.
Interesting places? not really.
Many hidden "things" to find by exploring? rarely.
Looting all this boxes? save your time.
Bugs? a lot. Even the same in Part 1 as I found more than one year ago, as I played.
Part 2 with some questbraking bugs.
Most important in this game?
Saving. You will have to load again a lot!
and the stuck function :-)