mabye better then skyrim

[PeterDes]

Now that you have improved the NPCs, you could also expand your character creation. I think a good RPG is where building your own character is important in terms of your connection with the game. More faces, more hairstyles. Other than that, I think this game, if you continue like this, will be the next big hit after Skyrim.

[Bandy]

There have been several "big hits" after skyrim, or are you one of those who have not been able to play anything else? Just curious, I was one of those for a while, so no judgement.

[Columbus_C]

Originally posted by Bandy:

There have been several "big hits" after skyrim, or are you one of those who have not been able to play anything else? Just curious, I was one of those for a while, so no judgement.

which skyrim likes came out?

[Bandy]

Originally posted by Columbus_C:

which skyrim likes came out?

What is a "skyrim-like" to you? An open world RPG in a fantasy setting? Am sure you can come up with a few, some even are GOTY...

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Bandy:

Originally posted by Columbus_C:

which skyrim likes came out?

What is a "skyrim-like" to you? An open world RPG in a fantasy setting?

Obviously not. TES-like games are not merely "open world RPGs in a fantasy setting." They are their own genre, like Souls-like games, which BTW also fit the same description (especially Elden Ring).

Originally posted by Bandy:

Am sure you can come up with a few, some even are GOTY...

So how about you come up with some examples to back up your initial claim, instead? And no, we're not talking about Baldur's Gate 3 and the like.

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic). [/quote]
How about you come up with some examples to back up your initial claim, instead?

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).

[ceo908]

el mejor juego

[Bandy]

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

Originally posted by Bandy:

What is a "skyrim-like" to you? An open world RPG in a fantasy setting?

Obviously not. TES-like games are not merely "open world RPGs in a fantasy setting." They are their own genre, like Souls-like games, which BTW also fit the same description (especially Elden Ring).

Originally posted by Bandy:

Am sure you can come up with a few, some even are GOTY...

So how about you come up with some examples to back up your initial claim, instead? And no, we're not talking about Baldur's Gate 3 and the like.

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).

Might want to edit your post...

So a BGS game is "obviously not" an RPG huh? Well, yes, many who know\love RPGs would agree that BGS games have not been RPGs for a while now, and they do not count skyrim as one, or not a good RPG at least. Take that as you will.

And no, nobody considers Elder scrolls games a genre unto themselves like Dark Souls ended up defining. Bethesda has a style of action-RPG but it is not a genre...

Any game I can list here (cough, cough Witcher 2 and 3, and others...) you will only find some excuse to say it "obviously not" fits your concept.

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Bandy:

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

Obviously not. TES-like games are not merely "open world RPGs in a fantasy setting." They are their own genre, like Souls-like games, which BTW also fit the same description (especially Elden Ring).



So how about you come up with some examples to back up your initial claim, instead? And no, we're not talking about Baldur's Gate 3 and the like.

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).

The only thing that comes to my mind are Skyrim overhaul mods such as Enderal (which, to be fair, plays like a completely stand-alone game). It grew sparse to the extent that, having played Enderal, I've turned back to Morrowind (with OpenMW and Tamriel Unleashed it's a completely new experience compared to classic).

Might want to edit your post...

So a BGS game is "obviously not" an RPG huh?

Seems you have issues with basic logic as well as reading comprehension.

While TES games are, of course, CRPGs, not every CRPG - and not every CRPG in a fantasy setting - is a TES-like game.

E.g. the famous classics like Baldur's Gate and Planescape: Torment are CRPGs in fantasy settings, but they are very much different from TES games.

So while there have been good CRPGs in fantasy settings since Skyrim, there haven't been any good TES-like games that I personally know of, with the exception of Enderal which itself is a mod of Skyrim.

Originally posted by Bandy:

Well, yes, many who know\love RPGs would agree that BGS games have not been RPGs for a while now, and they do not count skyrim as one, or not a good RPG at least. Take that as you will.

Another ridiculous claim. Of course TES games are RPGs.

Originally posted by Bandy:

And no, nobody considers Elder scrolls games a genre unto themselves like Dark Souls ended up defining.

Again you are wrong, since there absolutely is a genre or sub-genre that may be called TES-like.

Originally posted by Bandy:

Bethesda has a style of action-RPG but it is not a genre...

You know how "styles" are called in narrative art? That's right. Genres.

Also, calling TES games "Action RPGs" is again wrong, since "Action RPG" is a completely different genre commonly associated with Diablo-like games, which are traditionally characterised as being quite shallow in the RPG-part - a complete opposite to TES-like games, not to mention a plethora of other fundamental differences between them.

Originally posted by Bandy:

Any game I can list here (cough, cough Witcher 2 and 3, and others...) you will only find some excuse to say it "obviously not" fits your concept.

While the Witcher series games are quite obviously RPGs in a fantasy setting, they are very different from TES-like games. Examples of difference:

- Witcher games are third-person, not first-person;
- Witcher games don't have detailed character creation;
- Witcher games don't have playstyles as fundamentally diverse as TES-like games, you always play the same type of character that may be loosely described as a spellsword;
- Witcher games don't have stealth, or only vestigial stealth;
- Witcher games don't have have a crafting system that is as deep as TES-like games;
- Witcher games have a different approach to quests, NPCs, and other narrative elements;
- Witcher games don't have the same level of world interactivity, with as many items that could be taken, stolen, used, sold, broken for crafting components, etc. as in TES-like games.

The list can go on, but really, even the first point is sufficient. Like First-Person Shooters and Third-Person Shooters are different genres, so the fact that Witcher is third person and TES-likes are first person is already enough to mark them as principally different.

[Bandy]

LMAO, wall of text dude, you win, have the last word. Leaving others to follow up and decide...

[Blackdragon]

Originally posted by Bandy:

LMAO, wall of text dude

You really do have issues with reading comprehension if you are incapable of processing a few paragraphs of formatted text responding precisely to your own quotes.

Next time, don't get into arguments you are unequipped to pursue.

[Jedasd]

Originally posted by Bandy:

Originally posted by Columbus_C:

which skyrim likes came out?

What is a "skyrim-like" to you? An open world RPG in a fantasy setting? Am sure you can come up with a few, some even are GOTY...

Skyrim-like would be an open world rpg with equal emphasis on both sandbox and story. Not the best in either things but manages to find the perfect balance between them, making it and other BGS games very unique.

[Bandy]

Originally posted by Jedasd:

Originally posted by Bandy:

What is a "skyrim-like" to you? An open world RPG in a fantasy setting? Am sure you can come up with a few, some even are GOTY...

Skyrim-like would be an open world rpg with equal emphasis on both sandbox and story. Not the best in either things but manages to find the perfect balance between them, making it and other BGS games very unique.

"perfect balance" and "unique" is perfectly subjective, especially without factoring in the mods you installed.

Look, I enjoyed modded skyrim just like everyone else, but putting that game on some pedestal as "perfect" well, delusional comes to mind... but whatever floats that boat of yours...

Have either of you even watched this? Take the time, enlighten and broaden your perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WZCvQ5J3pk

[Bandy]

Originally posted by Blackdragon:

Next time, don't get into arguments you are unequipped to pursue.

Edit your post next time to remove egregious redundancy, because looks like you failed to read your own post.

You're simply locked in your opinion of what to include in the debate and are simply a waste of time. Time you realize that. But again, you win, and hope your wounded ego heals with that generous gesture.

[Jedasd]

You are trying to sound smart and show how cool you are in a Steam forum of a currently unknown game in a really weird obsessive manner. Not to mention your inability to read anything longer than 2 sentences and respond in a way other than a spoiled child thinking his opinions are facts.

[PeterDes]

In my opinion, Skyrim games are open-world fantasy games focused on exploration, where you can own large houses with NPCs, complete side quests, buy stuff, craft weapons and gear, and have a loot system and level progression with a truly beautiful story. So, not just Skyrim, but also games like Dragon Age, Skyrim, Dragon's Dogma, Fallout, and Starfield. Only Starfield was boring in my eyes. That's what I mean by "Skyrim games."

[PeterDes]

Oh, and why we all say Skyrim is because of the sweet and nice mods that have kept the game alive for 10 years now, over and over again. It’s so alive that it's the only game still going strong after 10 years. Firstly, because the game was already good, and secondly, because the mods for this game are the best mods out there in the world, in my opinion.