Character Creation Needs A LOT of work.

[True Patriot]

Believe me, I'm sure this isn't really a priority right now, but the character creation is horrendous. There's basically no attractive male or female presets and there's virtually no customization. I look like a foot in real life, I really don't need to look like one in a fantasy game. Again, I'm sure this isn't a priority, but it needs to be said so it can hopefully improve for full release next year.

[PainKiller]

lol no it was great.

[swillfly]

The character creation is fine. You play as a gender non-specific clone-of-a-clone-of-a-clone.

[likho1eye]

You don't get to see your character in game, so why does it even matter? After the sh*tshow that that we've seen in some recent AAA games, I'd rather just have 2-3 pre-built characters and skip character creation completely tbh.

[True Patriot]

Originally posted by likho1eye:

You don't get to see your character in game, so why does it even matter? After the sh*tshow that that we've seen in some recent AAA games, I'd rather just have 2-3 pre-built characters and skip character creation completely tbh.

Why shouldn't it matter? You see your character literally every time you open the gear screen? How has character creation ruined or turned AAA games into a "sh*tshow"? There are an innumerable amount of reasons AAA studios have gone down the drain, but to put character creation among them is absolutely hysterical. Your, "why does it even matter" mindset is literally what allowed developers and AAA game studios to put gaming where it is. It matters because you paid for it.

Video game protagonists are either pre-crafted based on how the studio wants them to look, or can be hand crafted by the player as either an idealized version of themselves or for role playing purposes. That's what "RP" in "RPG" stands for. The characters here aren't pre-made by the studio, there is a character creator. It's just a bad one.

[likho1eye]

Originally posted by True Patriot:

Originally posted by likho1eye:

You don't get to see your character in game, so why does it even matter? After the sh*tshow that that we've seen in some recent AAA games, I'd rather just have 2-3 pre-built characters and skip character creation completely tbh.

Why shouldn't it matter? You see your character literally every time you open the gear screen? How has character creation ruined or turned AAA games into a "sh*tshow"? There are an innumerable amount of reasons AAA studios have gone down the drain, but to put character creation among them is absolutely hysterical. Your, "why does it even matter" mindset is literally what allowed developers and AAA game studios to put gaming where it is. It matters because you paid for it.

Video game protagonists are either pre-crafted based on how the studio wants them to look, or can be hand crafted by the player as either an idealized version of themselves or for role playing purposes. That's what "RP" in "RPG" stands for. The characters here aren't pre-made by the studio, there is a character creator. It's just a bad one.

You need to come down. I didn't saying anything about doing things to your mother or whatever.
Secondly, it doesn't matter because you literally do not ever see your character in game. All you see is equipped armor and weapons, which will look the same no matter what character you've designed. You don't even get a third person view or cinematic dialogs.
Would it be better if those things were in game? Yes.... but given reality of finite resources to build video games, I would much rather see more variety in abilities and gear, and more branching quests and interesting locations.... than being able to create a black character in high fantasy setting with mastectomy scars.

[True Patriot]

Originally posted by likho1eye:

Originally posted by True Patriot:

Why shouldn't it matter? You see your character literally every time you open the gear screen? How has character creation ruined or turned AAA games into a "sh*tshow"? There are an innumerable amount of reasons AAA studios have gone down the drain, but to put character creation among them is absolutely hysterical. Your, "why does it even matter" mindset is literally what allowed developers and AAA game studios to put gaming where it is. It matters because you paid for it.

Video game protagonists are either pre-crafted based on how the studio wants them to look, or can be hand crafted by the player as either an idealized version of themselves or for role playing purposes. That's what "RP" in "RPG" stands for. The characters here aren't pre-made by the studio, there is a character creator. It's just a bad one.

You need to come down. I didn't saying anything about doing things to your mother or whatever.
Secondly, it doesn't matter because you literally do not ever see your character in game. All you see is equipped armor and weapons, which will look the same no matter what character you've designed. You don't even get a third person view or cinematic dialogs.
Would it be better if those things were in game? Yes.... but given reality of finite resources to build video games, I would much rather see more variety in abilities and gear, and more branching quests and interesting locations.... than being able to create a black character in high fantasy setting with mastectomy scars.

Nothing in my original statement was even remotely inflammatory, nor was any of it "WOKE" like I think you're assuming, given the Dragon Age: The Veilguard reference . If you took offense, that's on you. However, this next part is. You are insanely dense, to a degree I thought impossible. Use more than the 4 neurons God gave you and pay attention.

Just because some games do character creators poorly, doesn't mean every game should throw them away completely. You have Cyberpunk in your top played games. You know what that game has? First person perspective with almost zero third person animations. You only see your character in the gear screen. You know what it also has? An extensive character creator and a veritable ♥♥♥♥ ton of customization mods on the Nexus. You think the hundreds of thousands of people downloading these mods would agree with me, or you?

It's a role playing game. People want to role play. Role play, in this case, includes character customization. You know why? Because the game has it built in, it's just bad. How are you not getting this?

[likho1eye]

Originally posted by True Patriot:

Nothing in my original statement was even remotely inflammatory, nor was any of it "WOKE" like I think you're assuming, given the Dragon Age: The Veilguard reference . If you took offense, that's on you. However, this next part is. You are insanely dense, to a degree I thought impossible. Use more than the 4 neurons God gave you and pay attention.

Just because some games do character creators poorly, doesn't mean every game should throw them away completely. You have Cyberpunk in your top played games. You know what that game has? First person perspective with almost zero third person animations. You only see your character in the gear screen. You know what it also has? An extensive character creator and a veritable ♥♥♥♥ ton of customization mods on the Nexus. You think the hundreds of thousands of people downloading these mods would agree with me, or you?

It's a role playing game. People want to role play. Role play, in this case, includes character customization. You know why? Because the game has it built in, it's just bad. How are you not getting this?

Ok first of all, character creator and RP are not the same thing. Somehow people managed to RP in board games for many years, with their "character screen" being a spreadsheet with stats. Character build is the core part of RP, not some visual fluff. That's why Cyberpunk was popular, because you can play it many different ways. Sexed up mods is just something people do after they finished everything, but want to keep playing.
You don't understand what you're talking about, all while insulting my intelligence, and getting defensive about it. I can only reiterate my previous reply to you: You need to come down.

[True Patriot]

Originally posted by likho1eye:

Originally posted by True Patriot:

Nothing in my original statement was even remotely inflammatory, nor was any of it "WOKE" like I think you're assuming, given the Dragon Age: The Veilguard reference . If you took offense, that's on you. However, this next part is. You are insanely dense, to a degree I thought impossible. Use more than the 4 neurons God gave you and pay attention.

Just because some games do character creators poorly, doesn't mean every game should throw them away completely. You have Cyberpunk in your top played games. You know what that game has? First person perspective with almost zero third person animations. You only see your character in the gear screen. You know what it also has? An extensive character creator and a veritable ♥♥♥♥ ton of customization mods on the Nexus. You think the hundreds of thousands of people downloading these mods would agree with me, or you?

It's a role playing game. People want to role play. Role play, in this case, includes character customization. You know why? Because the game has it built in, it's just bad. How are you not getting this?

Ok first of all, character creator and RP are not the same thing. Somehow people managed to RP in board games for many years, with their "character screen" being a spreadsheet with stats. Character build is the core part of RP, not some visual fluff. That's why Cyberpunk was popular, because you can play it many different ways. Sexed up mods is just something people do after they finished everything, but want to keep playing.
You don't understand what you're talking about, all while insulting my intelligence, and getting defensive about it. I can only reiterate my previous reply to you: You need to come down.

So to disprove my statement you decided to bring up games that aren't video games? When we're clearly BOTH talking about video games? It's sad you have to resort to "Come down" instead of any actual evidence to prove your (incorrect), poorly thought-out and written statements.

And not including character creation in the list of reasons people enjoy RPG's only because YOU don't like it is very funny.

[likho1eye]

You were talking about roleplaying, and I addressed it as such. For the last time: RP is when YOU roleplay (play the role) as a made up character, not a made up character playing the role of you. You dressing up as as the DOOM guy for a comic con is RP. You making your character in game to look like you is literally the opposite of RP. This is not what I like or dislike, it's me attempting to educate you on the meaning of words you use to attack me.
I don't even dislike the concept of character creator, I just think it's unnecessary and makes other more meaningful features much harder to implement.
But you continue to twist my words and use substitute personal attacks for arguments. Almost like your priority is to start a fight, and not to exchange ideas. Best of luck to you with this kind of juvenile attitude. I'm out.

[True Patriot]

Originally posted by likho1eye:

You were talking about roleplaying, and I addressed it as such. For the last time: RP is when YOU roleplay (play the role) as a made up character, not a made up character playing the role of you. You dressing up as as the DOOM guy for a comic con is RP. You making your character in game to look like you is literally the opposite of RP. This is not what I like or dislike, it's me attempting to educate you on the meaning of words you use to attack me.
I don't even dislike the concept of character creator, I just think it's unnecessary and makes other more meaningful features much harder to implement.
But you continue to twist my words and use substitute personal attacks for arguments. Almost like your priority is to start a fight, and not to exchange ideas. Best of luck to you with this kind of juvenile attitude. I'm out.

Every time I read one of your replies, I get more stupid. If I make a character look like me and name him my name, but he's a f*cking elf casting magic or an evil Corpo in Cyberpunk, am I still RPing? To save your tiny brain it's necessary computing power, the answer is yes. I have no idea where you got the idea that making a character look like yourself or someone else is the deciding factor on if you are role playing or not, because it isn't. RPing is about CHOICE. Having character creation offers you more of what an RPG specializes in, CHOICE. The CHOICE to make a character look like you, or not, is among them.

And how does implementing a character creator "make other meaningful features much harder to implement"? Is it a time constraint you're referring to? The assets already exist in the game on NPC's. At the very least, allowing players to use those would already open up an insane amount of customization with little time spent. Otherwise, again, you're talking out of your ass.

And lastly, there is no "exchanging ideas". It's obvious based on the flawed logic in your responses. It's something you don't want or care about, or rather something you think will actively make the game worse, therefore you don't want it in the game and will argue against it's existence. It's not a surprise to me that you dipped, seeing as you're just talking yourself in circles with nonsensical arguments.

[Macdallan]

There are way too many people complaining about character creation in games these days when they should be happy that they have customisation options in the first place. It's not bad in this game either, the OP is exaggerating when they say it's "horrendous." Sure, they could change it, add to it, but they don't NEED to like the OP suggests. It's simply not necessary.

[stmpunk]

Originally posted by likho1eye:

You don't get to see your character in game, so why does it even matter? After the sh*tshow that that we've seen in some recent AAA games, I'd rather just have 2-3 pre-built characters and skip character creation completely tbh.

that's a very narcissistic pov. Just because you and me don't really care for it much, it doesn't mean we should push it out for those who find it important. And we do see the character through inventory screen, which's totally fine for "admiring" / enough for ppl to care how it looks. It's so "wyrd" that if they remove the 3rd person view from our equip screen, even us who don't mind it would feel the loss greatly.

And to finally, to give you on point answer, within PnP RPGs we create character sheets and we have to define their appearance, that because for proper RPing one sort of needs to know how the character looks meanwhile it also adds several backstory pieces + back-story reminders for the players, it's the single best way to remember our characters when we take long hiatuses from games.

[hugocarvalho90]

I already said about that, they look ugly, and anatomicaly some heads are small, and cranium is not right (mostly the female)... not sure if they will fix it... but this last update I saw they fixed the hair, at least the one my char is using, and looks like the tesselation had some little touchs (but I did not look in the creation to see the sizes proportions)

[hugocarvalho90]

so here is a little adjustment I made - https://ibb.co/fdsTfC5
hope the image works - with some comparisons - https://ibb.co/jfNf180

[stmpunk]

Originally posted by hugocarvalho90:

so here is a little adjustment I made - https://ibb.co/fdsTfC5
hope the image works - with some comparisons - https://ibb.co/jfNf180

the head correction looks really good, the shoulder anatomy you are talking about isn't actually a fact. There's a wide range of body shapes that vary following genetics, if a woman's a swimmer the shoulders can be way larger than their waist too (body development variation). In-laid shoulders that are as pronounced as your correction tend to be for specific genetics or undernourishment during development (as kids / teens).

The woman ideal body proportion tends to have shoulders and waist nearly identical in size, so the difference between them must be very slight or none.

What makes for what would be a "manly" body shape would be for them having shoulders larger than their waists (which, as I told you, can happen with swimmers)