Mac Dual Pack - what a joke

[EjPawel]

I have a question to the DEVS - when are you gonna add AWD to those vehicles?

I am always looking for new trucks, and gladly pay for them. But this? This is a joke and spit in the players face. No AWD to both of them - in a game where you drive through mud 95% of the time.
Shame on you, really, what a joke

[Archerodees]

If you're ok with using mods there's this one:

https://mod.io/g/snowrunner/m/mack-terra-d

Just search for it in the mod browser.

[possum polly]

Mods is the answer for these DLC truck ♥♥♥♥ ups.

[Rragar]

Originally posted by EjPawel:

I have a question to the DEVS - when are you gonna add AWD to those vehicles?

I am always looking for new trucks, and gladly pay for them. But this? This is a joke and spit in the players face. No AWD to both of them - in a game where you drive through mud 95% of the time.
Shame on you, really, what a joke

Why is it a joke that a DLC is exposing your shortcomings as a driver that you didn't know you had because you only cared to learn easy trucks?

Do you want me to tell you how I know that you either didn't test it when you saw it was RWD, or don't know how to use it? Because I got these trucks across the mud pits of Austria and also across the mud pits of North Carolina.

Should be asking how to use it or figuring out how, instead of calling it bad and pinning the blame on the trucks.

[Specimen4205]

any payed dlc truck without awd, diflock, 4-slot bed + crane + trailer combo, all addons and 8\8\8 ratio 69 inch tires is a waste of money, boo, we need moar superheavy OP trucks

[EjPawel]

Originally posted by Rragar:

Originally posted by EjPawel:

I have a question to the DEVS - when are you gonna add AWD to those vehicles?

I am always looking for new trucks, and gladly pay for them. But this? This is a joke and spit in the players face. No AWD to both of them - in a game where you drive through mud 95% of the time.
Shame on you, really, what a joke

Why is it a joke that a DLC is exposing your shortcomings as a driver that you didn't know you had because you only cared to learn easy trucks?

Do you want me to tell you how I know that you either didn't test it when you saw it was RWD, or don't know how to use it? Because I got these trucks across the mud pits of Austria and also across the mud pits of North Carolina.

Should be asking how to use it or figuring out how, instead of calling it bad and pinning the blame on the trucks.

You have a diffirent point, I do to.

What is the point of using those truck? I am gonna be stuck in the mud for 100%. And I need to take other trucks with diff lock and awd to pull this one out.
Why? What's the point of doing that then?

[EjPawel]

Originally posted by Specimen4205:

any payed dlc truck without awd, diflock, 4-slot bed + crane + trailer combo, all addons and 8\8\8 ratio 69 inch tires is a waste of money, boo, we need moar superheavy OP trucks

Jokers, jokers everywhere. Lambs.

[Rragar]

Originally posted by EjPawel:

You have a diffirent point, I do to.

What is the point of using those truck?

This is why you need to spend many hours testing the trucks, and why you need to know how to properly use all truck types, including rear wheel drive trucks, in order to be able to get valid information from your tests.

The point is that they are both long range trucks that can both pull cargo mass above their class range and at noticeably higher speeds for very little fuel, and also that they can both mount a long cargo bed that is particularly useful for a bunch of tasks that require deliveries of 3 units of cargo. These long beds also help you improve the truck balance and traction since they concentrate more weight upon the driving wheels than standard beds do. Also, upgrades are non-essential for these trucks, except perhaps for the winch; you can start a hard mode match with minimal stuff, then buy either of these trucks, and they'll serve you as nicely as a fully upgraded truck.

The Pinnacle is very stable with top-heavy loads due to its air suspension and its extra-long frame, which has quite a bit of flex. The unique logging crane that the Pinnacle can get, is more stable and precise than the stock logging crane. The Pinnacle is basically a heavy class truck rated as a heavy-duty, in terms of payload capacity and how much control it gives you over a high cargo mass.

The point of the TerraPro is to provide a highway class truck with above-average offroad capabilities compared to your baseline highway class, while further improving on the long range capabilities. It gives you more ground clearance with a better breakover angle than the Pinnacle. Departure angles are excellent for both trucks, only issue is the approach angle, which can be managed by replacing the front fenders in addition to the usual suspension and wheel size upgrades. The TerraPro steers really nicely in confined environments despite its always-on difflock, and I've used it inside forests.

Both trucks can pull double medium logs, both trucks can pull trailers with the extended cargo beds installed, and both trucks can take light cranes paired with standard beds and their balance isn't significantly affected by the presence of the crane. As of right now, the Pinnacle has a bug that prevents trailer coupling while a standard bed and crane are installed, but the TerraPro doesn't have that issue.

The unique all-terrain tires are also among the best in their class that I have seen in the game, due to their special design. The thin profile reduces rolling resistance at the front (advantageous for RWD trucks) and concentrates pressure so that the tires are more often operating close to, or at their optimal pressure per unit of tire surface area threshold. They are soft (which improves mud grip), but the shape also helps them cut through mud layers; this is good because they perform best in a mixed mud+dirt state. The thin shape also helps them get better traction than they should get on dirt, it makes them slip less on ice than wider tires without chains. And being all-terrains, they don't suck on highways like your average mud tire, which is technically what these are in terms of grip bias.

Both trucks also drive great on roads in Automatic gear 8, since the all-terrains provide decent grip, and the combination of engines + unique gearbox option allows for higher than average torque output on higher Automatic gears. The stock gearboxes are also approximately 30% more fuel efficient in Automatic than a Highway gearbox.

And on that note: the decreased-output version of High Gear from the stock gearbox synergizes well with the all-terrain tires since it caps the wheel rotation at a lower speed value. In mud, this makes you less likely to slip if you picked a spot where you can get a mixed mud+dirt traction state and enables you to hold the high gear while in mud. If you're on dirt, it prevents slip from excessive wheel spin that you're likely to get since I'm under the impression that the dirt traction is the lowest coefficient of these tires. And since the High Gear of the unique gearboxes provides more torque than a Highway gearbox, you can engage it more easily to get bursts of speed in rougher terrain, and it's easier for the truck to hold that gear; I've been unable to find an instance so far where I can overwhelm the truck's ability to hold the high gear, like I've done with other trucks.

Originally posted by EjPawel:

I am gonna be stuck in the mud for 100%. And I need to take other trucks with diff lock and awd to pull this one out.
Why? What's the point of doing that then?

The point is to realize that you're not using the trucks correctly, and to identify what you're doing wrong so that you can change what you're doing. I told you that I got these trucks through the mud pits in Austria and North Carolina. What does that tell you? Last night, I also did the mud pits in the second map of British Columbia.

I did these things unassisted by other vehicles and with little to no winching because I was being mindful of the truck balance, momentum, and of the way the ruts were set in the mud. And the spots where I got properly stuck, were the same spots where I get AWD trucks stuck as well.

The thing is: rear wheel drive trucks really expose the importance of careful driving, proper understanding of truck physics, and managing the limits of your truck. Yes, they are demanding, and that is exactly what builds up your offroading ability. For that reason, I split my time at least half-and-half between RWD and AWD trucks these days (sometimes, I do RWD exclusively) so I've gotten very mindful of how the terrain is set up and how to approach specific scenarios.

[XC3758]

They are MACK branded trucks.
They need to be as true to the IRL ones.
Neither of them are AWD and are 6x4 (well the TerraPro also comes in 4x2 and 8x4)

[DeadlyFred]

What's the point of featuring real, licensed trucks if they don't act at least somewhat like their real counterparts? Why are you mad because you DON'T have a reason to buy something? Some people like the extra challenge and some just like to collect the trucks.

[Jelinobas]

Originally posted by DeadlyFred:

What's the point of featuring real, licensed trucks if they don't act at least somewhat like their real counterparts? Why are you mad because you DON'T have a reason to buy something? Some people like the extra challenge and some just like to collect the trucks.

And others simply use what they consider to be the best for as many situations as possible and simply ignore the vehicles that are only suitable for a few special cases.

[Rragar]

Originally posted by Jelinobas:

Originally posted by DeadlyFred:

What's the point of featuring real, licensed trucks if they don't act at least somewhat like their real counterparts? Why are you mad because you DON'T have a reason to buy something? Some people like the extra challenge and some just like to collect the trucks.

And others simply use what they consider to be the best for as many situations as possible and simply ignore the vehicles that are only suitable for a few special cases.

Tell this to the people who use a Mastodon as a crutch to do everything because they never learned how to use other trucks, and thus never realized that the only thing the Mastodon is good at, is mud.

These are usually the sorts that post negative "reviews" where they pin the blame on the trucks for their own shortcomings. After all, screwdrivers must be the worst and most useless tool invented by mankind because they make for poor battering rams, right?

[SlowClick]

There is nothing wrong with the Mack Pack - it's a couple of pretty trucks that are quite good at what they do, but there is a limit to what they can do. There are maps with lots of good smooth roads (North Carolina for example) where these would work well if that's what the player wants to do. You don't have to buy them, and you don't have to use them. And if some players don't have the patience or inclination to work out how to use them in difficult situations, well that's their business. (BTW I'm one of those - although as a test I used the Pinnacle in Austria for a two map log run, but only once. )
So each to their own.

[Tenryū]

Originally posted by Rragar:

Originally posted by Jelinobas:

And others simply use what they consider to be the best for as many situations as possible and simply ignore the vehicles that are only suitable for a few special cases.

Tell this to the people who use a Mastodon as a crutch to do everything because they never learned how to use other trucks, and thus never realized that the only thing the Mastodon is good at, is mud.

These are usually the sorts that post negative "reviews" where they pin the blame on the trucks for their own shortcomings. After all, screwdrivers must be the worst and most useless tool invented by mankind because they make for poor battering rams, right?

for me the problem it is a standalone DLC Trucks no map attach, I love transtar and clt and I use it alot and I have thousands hour in snowrunner, it is not the truck that I hate but they sell it as standalone DLC with no map, if it come with map I don't mind at all

[Darth Woras]

To make Mack Pack amazing all you have to do is...... change two words in xml file.
Devs are too lazy to do that (along with actual transfer box model) - so they do deserve all the hate and criticism.

[DeadlyFred]

Originally posted by Tenryū:

Originally posted by Rragar:

Tell this to the people who use a Mastodon as a crutch to do everything because they never learned how to use other trucks, and thus never realized that the only thing the Mastodon is good at, is mud.

These are usually the sorts that post negative "reviews" where they pin the blame on the trucks for their own shortcomings. After all, screwdrivers must be the worst and most useless tool invented by mankind because they make for poor battering rams, right?

for me the problem it is a standalone DLC Trucks no map attach, I love transtar and clt and I use it alot and I have thousands hour in snowrunner, it is not the truck that I hate but they sell it as standalone DLC with no map, if it come with map I don't mind at all

At the end of the day you don't really NEED any of the DLC trucks, Season bundled or standalone. The vanilla fleet is more than capable of doing everything you'd need to do in the game.