why is this game dropping frames on a 4600$ computer?

[neotux]

is this game not optimized

[Srcaverat]

my computer is like, $250 max, no frame drops. (Core i3 8 gen, geforce 1660 gt) (ten year old computer with upgrades parts, font is like 500 wats )

[Wizard]

I'm running the same GPU as the OP, and my rig cost right around half as much. I don't have any stuttering.

This thread is a testament to the value of learning how to build your own rig. It's not really that hard, and you save hundreds, if not thousands per build.

[Dryspace]

And now a moment of silence for all of the poor saps who think there is such thing as a "Gaming Laptop".

[Meme Machine]

Mine is fine not sure what your specs are But mine is a i9 12900k DDR5 32GB RTX2070 Super and the game is on a M.2 NVME 4.0

[DEMONVIA]

Runs flawlessly on my rx590 and amd 2600g cpu, i even watch vids on my 2nd monitor while playing, no issues.
This is on both win10 and Pop-OS partitions.

[AlphaNilla]

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Runs flawlessly on my rx590 and amd 2600g cpu, i even watch vids on my 2nd monitor while playing, no issues.
This is on both win10 and Pop-OS partitions.

I read somewhere that on a well-equipped machine, one running Linux natively can boot Windows 10 in a virtual machine and it will slightly out preform the same computer running Windows 10 natively. What I absolutely love about the Linux kernel is that it only does what you tell it to do, nothing more, nothing less.

[Dryspace]

Publicado originalmente por AlphaNilla:

What I absolutely love about the Linux kernel is that it only does what you tell it to do, nothing more, nothing less.

That's not supposed to be something that you love -- it's supposed to be something you demand, and accept nothing less than.

As a gamer, I'll be on Windows 7 for a long time. I would love to use Linux, but it's not practical for my purposes. I'm hoping that changes.

[AlphaNilla]

Publicado originalmente por Dryspace:

Publicado originalmente por AlphaNilla:

What I absolutely love about the Linux kernel is that it only does what you tell it to do, nothing more, nothing less.

That's not supposed to be something that you love -- it's supposed to be something you demand, and accept nothing less than.

As a gamer, I'll be on Windows 7 for a long time. I would love to use Linux, but it's not practical for my purposes. I'm hoping that changes.

Point taken. Regrettably, most people haven't a clue as to how a computer ought to perform: Windows users’ routinely suffer through illimitable bugs, restarts, wholesale losses of data and privacy- As a Linux user, you can likely attest to the inconvenient truth that most folks are helplessly unaware that a more functional and pragmatic OS exists in the Unix-derived kernel. Unlike Microsoft, Linux OS actually works for you, and because the software is 100% open source, free, and bereft of profit motives, it's users’ are not subject to all the bloat and spyware which obstinately infests Windows, and to a slightly lesser degree, Mac OS. As the brilliant and highly-gifted creator and chief software engineer of the Linux project himself (Linus Torvalds) said, “Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.” Touché.

[Dryspace]

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“Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems.”

That was an accurate observation. Unfortunately, while MS still aren't evil, I submit that they have gone way past only making crappy operating systems, into behavior that no one should tolerate.

As far as I know, Windows 7 is the last version that is controlled by the user, and not MS (or whoever MS gives access to). I say 'as far as I know' because I refused to touch 8, and don't know how similar it is to 10+.

[Magistar]

Publicado originalmente por Dryspace:

Publicado originalmente por AlphaNilla:

What I absolutely love about the Linux kernel is that it only does what you tell it to do, nothing more, nothing less.

That's not supposed to be something that you love -- it's supposed to be something you demand, and accept nothing less than.

As a gamer, I'll be on Windows 7 for a long time. I would love to use Linux, but it's not practical for my purposes. I'm hoping that changes.

Honestly you are limiting yourself based on some misplaced 'wisdom'. If you want DX12 you need W10, if you want a new cpu you need W10.

[Dryspace]

Publicado originalmente por Magistar:

Honestly you are limiting yourself based on some misplaced 'wisdom'. If you want DX12 you need W10, if you want a new cpu you need W10.

I'm not sure what "wisdom" you're referring to. I know what DX12 is, and I know that Windows 10 is artificially required in order to use it. I will be using Windows 7 for a long time because it is the best or only way to play the tons of games I love from the last ~40 years (Via Windows 7 + DosBox and other emulators).

When I build a new Windows 10 PC it will be used only for DX12 games and literally nothing else.

[AlphaNilla]

Publicado originalmente por Magistar:

Publicado originalmente por Dryspace:

That's not supposed to be something that you love -- it's supposed to be something you demand, and accept nothing less than.

As a gamer, I'll be on Windows 7 for a long time. I would love to use Linux, but it's not practical for my purposes. I'm hoping that changes.

Honestly you are limiting yourself based on some misplaced 'wisdom'. If you want DX12 you need W10, if you want a new cpu you need W10.

[magistar] I'm not sure I'm following your logic here when you say "if you want a new cpu you need W10." Since when? Just to be clear, are you insinuating that the only architecture new CPUs support is Windows 10??

Full disclosure: I own and use several different computers and devices running on everything from OS X (Mountain Lion is my fav MacOS), several iterations of the Linux kernel, Android, iOS, and regrettably Windows 10. I am only biased toward the OS that most efficiently completes the instruction, or series of instructions that I have tasked it with. All of the OSes I have do somethings better than the others. There currently is not one single operating system that can fulfill all my needs at any given time, hence why I have multiple.

[Magistar]

Publicado originalmente por AlphaNilla:

Publicado originalmente por Magistar:

Honestly you are limiting yourself based on some misplaced 'wisdom'. If you want DX12 you need W10, if you want a new cpu you need W10.

[magistar] I'm not sure I'm following your logic here when you say "if you want a new cpu you need W10." Since when? Just to be clear, are you insinuating that the only architecture new CPUs support is Windows 10??

Full disclosure: I own and use several different computers and devices running on everything from OS X (Mountain Lion is my fav MacOS), several iterations of the Linux kernel, Android, iOS, and regrettably Windows 10. I am only biased toward the OS that most efficiently completes the instruction, or series of instructions that I have tasked it with. All of the OSes I have do somethings better than the others. There currently is not one single operating system that can fulfill all my needs at any given time, hence why I have multiple.

In the context of Win7 vs latest Win10 builds; CPU's are changing. I can name a few examples;
-AMD uses chiplets where cores can be on different core complexes, travel time between these complexes is long therefore it is best not to schedule related threads on different core complexes (for games). Windows had to implement a change to their scheduler to accomodate this
-AMD uses different quality of cores where some cores can boost a bit higher, again the scheduler of Windows had to be modified to accomodate this
-Intel now uses big/little where new cpu's have a few 'regular' cores and additional 'mini' cores. Again the OS has to deal with the implications of this

If you ignore this and stay on Windows 7 then you are throwing away performance, hence you 'need' W10.

[Magistar]

Publicado originalmente por Dryspace:

Publicado originalmente por Magistar:

Honestly you are limiting yourself based on some misplaced 'wisdom'. If you want DX12 you need W10, if you want a new cpu you need W10.

I'm not sure what "wisdom" you're referring to. I know what DX12 is, and I know that Windows 10 is artificially required in order to use it. I will be using Windows 7 for a long time because it is the best or only way to play the tons of games I love from the last ~40 years (Via Windows 7 + DosBox and other emulators).

When I build a new Windows 10 PC it will be used only for DX12 games and literally nothing else.

Honestly Win7 is just Vista with a different UI. At launch it wasn't even better than Vista Sp1 so there is really no reason to go nostaligic on W7. Just like at some point Windows XP was no longer viable, we are now at a point where W7 is no longer viable. It stopped getting security updates and lacks support to get the most out of new hardware.

Also keep in mind that W10 is not a traditional single version OS. We have had 1503, 1607,1703,1709,1803, 1903,1909,20H2,21H1, and I probably missed a few. Right now 26% of the userbase is on 21H1, 35% on 21H2 and 20% on W11. So a general dislike of W10 is a pretty uneducated and emotional opinion. Personally I have had some issues with the early W10 builds but after let's say 1709 I have not seen any issues that affected me (Now I always delay updating to the latest major version with 6+ months, so that helps).

[AlphaNilla]

Publicado originalmente por Magistar:

Publicado originalmente por AlphaNilla:

[magistar] I'm not sure I'm following your logic here when you say "if you want a new cpu you need W10." Since when? Just to be clear, are you insinuating that the only architecture new CPUs support is Windows 10??

Full disclosure: I own and use several different computers and devices running on everything from OS X (Mountain Lion is my fav MacOS), several iterations of the Linux kernel, Android, iOS, and regrettably Windows 10. I am only biased toward the OS that most efficiently completes the instruction, or series of instructions that I have tasked it with. All of the OSes I have do somethings better than the others. There currently is not one single operating system that can fulfill all my needs at any given time, hence why I have multiple.

In the context of Win7 vs latest Win10 builds; CPU's are changing. I can name a few examples;
-AMD uses chiplets where cores can be on different core complexes, travel time between these complexes is long therefore it is best not to schedule related threads on different core complexes (for games). Windows had to implement a change to their scheduler to accomodate this
-AMD uses different quality of cores where some cores can boost a bit higher, again the scheduler of Windows had to be modified to accomodate this
-Intel now uses big/little where new cpu's have a few 'regular' cores and additional 'mini' cores. Again the OS has to deal with the implications of this

If you ignore this and stay on Windows 7 then you are throwing away performance, hence you 'need' W10.

I have Windows 10 Pro my guy. It has gotten better, and I use it pretty much strictly for gaming. That being said, I will always use a variety of Linux to do anything important or "risky". I can't trust Windows, or MacOS anymore because they do crap in the background that is unnecessary for the assigned task at any given moment, and debugging any obscure bug or exception can be inordinately frustrating. That's just me tho, and I appreciate the info on the trends in CPU core technology, and have no issue with your affection for MS Windows... Thanks again!