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T880 in real life is a heavy duty truck with AWD
Why the hell is a T880 in this game a highway truck? This russian developers are kidding us? Following text is from the official Kenworth website.

https://kenworth.com/about-us/news/t880s-all-wheel-drive/

“For severe duty applications where the ultimate in traction is required, our new configuration is a welcomed spec,” said Kurt Swihart, Kenworth marketing director. “We see our all-wheel drive T880 being used in oil fields, configured as an off-road crane, in utility and construction work, or used with municipalities and fire/rescue. The Kenworth T880 represents the ultimate in toughness and durability for all applications.”

The Marmon Herrington MT-22 front drive axle is available in a 6x6 or 8x8 Class 8 configuration with a capacity rating up to 22,000 pounds. The all-wheel drive configuration requires...

This was 2017! The T680 is there Highway truck. :nogo:

They always try to let look US trucks bad in this game :stop:. Well, at least they patched the Western Star DLC a while ago but they still have to small tyres. :longhaul:
Naposledy upravil StrongPointGER; 3. pro. 2024 v 12.22
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BurakZG 3. pro. 2024 v 13.58 
Because they want you to believe that crap called ZiKZ 605 is the best offroad truck ever. Not only having best traction and strong engine but also being fuel efficient. Spintires wiki even says it is "lightweight" 😂 Anybody who has ever stood next to a russian piece of technology wouldn't stop laughing...

Regarding trucks performance this game is complete fantasy. Don't even try to check real truck data. It's an arcade game with vehicles looking like real.
Naposledy upravil BurakZG; 3. pro. 2024 v 14.08
^^ Russian technology is however Rasputisa* proof as that is what they have to deal with in the largest country in the world of which only a small part is populated and has roads. Besides that in the Soviet Union era all trucks were civil versions of military trucks, there were no civil truck designs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputitsa ( Wikipedia )

US and Canada are relative "rich" countries with paved roads nearly everywhere, and so does Europe. Civil trucks tend to be built as highway or heavy duty trucks as AWD is economically inefficient to run on paved roads and expensive to buy. So in reality most trucks would merely have a diff lock on the rear axles if they expected to be driving on compacted dirt roads or construction sites at all. AWD is rarely necessary so not very common.

Only specialized or military US/EU trucks have AWD, and most 8 or 10 wheelers do not have this as an off road feature but to not sink through the asphalt road surface and damage it.

The snow runner developers are based in Scandinavia if i'm not mistaken, so are no Russians.

I just took the 2 new trucks for a spin, with their specific KenWorth tires mounted expecting these are also the best stat tires like those of KW 990. I really do not see much to dislike, they are powerful engine output heavy duty trucks. AWD might have made the P512 and W 990 obsolete, so they went with rear wheel drive.
Naposledy upravil Beast of War; 3. pro. 2024 v 14.55
StrongPointGER původně napsal:

They always try to let look US trucks bad in this game :stop:. Well, at least they patched the Western Star DLC a while ago but they still have to small tyres. :longhaul:

The american trucks generally steer better, are more fuel efficient, tend towards better power-to-weight ratios, and usually come with toggle AWD/difflock instead of enforced. All the previous are advantages. And yes, I am explicitly saying that toggle AWD/difflock instead of enforced is an advantage.

How does that make them look bad?

The W880 was indeed RWD-only for a period of time, and even in that manner, it is very capable.

As for the new package, they even threw in two special sets of all-terrain tires which seem akin to the one on the Crocodile and Pike. The all-terrains on these Kenworths provide outstanding performance.

And for that matter, you can get both trucks across snow with everything stock and while in RWD. I didn't even have to load down the rear end to increase the traction.

AND they both have huge fuel tanks, plus spare fuel and repair parts.
Naposledy upravil Rragar; 3. pro. 2024 v 15.56
Anybody else feel like Snowrunner is just a giant Kenworth commercial now? The last few DLCs are just shiny new KW rigs of dubious usage.

Man, can we get some more old school rigs already? I loved how the game felt when it first released with the 4964 and the Loadstar bombing around feeling like a good old boy ballin' on a budget with his grandfather's barn find truck. Now I feel like I need to drive around with my seatbelt buckled and my earpiece in waiting for dispatch to call me and tell me that HR found my joke so funny they want to hear it in person.
Naposledy upravil Booze_Rooster; 3. pro. 2024 v 18.36
Booze_Rooster původně napsal:
Anybody else feel like Snowrunner is just a giant Kenworth commercial now?

No, but I do get to feel like you're exaggerating. If the number of branded trucks should be a concern to you, then the prize would actually go to International, since we have like 6 or 7 from that company.

Booze_Rooster původně napsal:
The last few DLCs are just shiny new KW rigs of dubious usage.

Only the last DLC is Kenworth. Before that, the only Kenworths we had were from the British Columbia region, and we've had plenty of other trucks from different brands between British Columbia and today's Kenworth pack.

As for "dubious": should I imply from this that you're referring to the fact that we have two Highway class Kenworths, and that you probably don't know what to do with highway trucks? Do you want tips for this or something?
Naposledy upravil Rragar; 3. pro. 2024 v 21.36
Technically speaking, when a truck is classified as "Highway" in Snowrunner, that is actually a buff because it means it's a bit faster.

That aside, who cares what it's classified as? You should be worried if it's good or not, not which tab it goes in when you're browsing the truck store.
I'll just add that both kennys are capable. Used both of them for bricks deliveries in Amur yesterday. I enjoyed driving C500 and was surprised by T880's performance
K***boo původně napsal:
Technically speaking, when a truck is classified as "Highway" in Snowrunner, that is actually a buff because it means it's a bit faster.

Also means that trucks in this class provide better fuel efficiency and usually also better fuel capacity (so they are better suited to long range trips) and it is also closely related to their payload range on which the highway class is at the upper range, below Heavy.

And it also means that you should expect less specialized offroad features that change depending on the truck model, and this could be the tire options, or stiffer frames and suspension, or limited ground clearance, or absence of AWD/locking diffs.

K***boo původně napsal:
That aside, who cares what it's classified as? You should be worried if it's good or not, not which tab it goes in when you're browsing the truck store.

The most common complaint about the Kenworths has been that the W990 lacks AWD and that the T880 also lacks AWD. But it's a stupid complaint because they're quite useful and quite capable regardless of that.

I just did a double medium logs test from Black River to Smithville Dam with the RWD-only T880 fitted with its stock all-terrain tires (it can take a medium log trailer while carrying logs on the frame) and I moved the loads across the river crossing in Black River. Turns out, the T880 is very good at moving heavy payloads and remains stable even while carrying medium logs on the frame and while fitted with a raised suspension and bigger wheels. And that trip, with the upgraded engine, only burnt like 25% of the fuel so I could still cross an entire map with what I have left in the tank, and I'd probably still have spare fuel afterward.
Naposledy upravil Rragar; 3. pro. 2024 v 22.20
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3377794027

While it may seem attractive to yank a high range gear box on a highway truck for fuel economy and speed, it does not always pay off in my opinion ;

- trucks in this game cannot stay on the road going over 40 km/h 25 mp/h to maximum 60 km/h /35 mp/h anyway with any tire type as they will drift and skid...and crash into something or roll over.

- When you get stuck in mud or snow with a rear wheel drive with diff lock you need to slow down the driven wheels*. L may be low enough, but if it is not you may need L- as in the picture. You will see it often gets going while you thought you were stuck, you may need to wiggle the steering a bit but it will.

* Open diff AWD trucks are the exception to this, with them you always full throttle in A so can choose freely not to use an off road gearbox without consequence.
Naposledy upravil Beast of War; 4. pro. 2024 v 7.03
I dunno who you are talking to, but yeah, generally you always want the Offroad gearbox because of slower High gear.

If a truck has always-on diff(and especially if it also has always-on AWD) then you can try Balanced instead and just spam shift.

I only use Highway on the Bandit, because it's my contest runner. There are few contests that are very hard to do without a Highway gearbox(I'm looking at you, Flatlands NC)
Beast of War původně napsal:

The snow runner developers are based in Scandinavia if i'm not mistaken, so are no Russians.

Embracer group is Scandi, but the devs themselves are Russian / Belarusian, but since the "special military operation" /s are located in Armenia. So of Russian origin, and likely saw the MAZ trucks growing up.
And TATRA is Czech company (not Russian). 😂
There is no point to highway trucks in this game. Why bother with a truck that gets mired or high centered on an EASY early game map like Black River when more capable trucks exist?

I'll take poor fuel economy and off-road performance, and refuel from another truck with a fuel tank on it than to kid myself that a highway truck is worth it for a 500 foot stretch of paved road because it's slightly faster and better on fuel.
Naposledy upravil Booze_Rooster; 4. pro. 2024 v 10.00
Booze_Rooster původně napsal:
There is no point to highway trucks in this game. Why bother with a truck that gets mired or high centered on an EASY early game map like Black River when more capable trucks exist?

I was using the Highway T880 with all-terrain tires to get tasks done in British Columbia like 3 times faster than the host who was only using heavies. And for like 70% less fuel.

If you're getting trucks mired in Black River, that's because you don't know how to use them.

And for that matter, there's plenty of good places for running serious tests in Black River. The path from the logging place to the river crossing is good for testing torque and dirt traction (the steep uphill climb) and the river crossing itself is pretty good for testing performance in squishy ground while you're carrying a heavy load.
Naposledy upravil Rragar; 5. pro. 2024 v 0.55
With the T880 set in high gear (highway gearbox), I crossed most of the swamp on the south of Smithville Dam with the T880 while it was loaded with medium logs and also pulling a medium log trailer with a load of logs. Where I had to slow down was because I exceeded the trailer articulation angle threshold, not because the truck couldn't manage it.

I also delivered medium logs to the house north of the logging place in Smithville Dam with the T880. That path is pretty steep. Setting it in low gear, it just kept climbing without ever stopping or slowing down.

I also did another delivery to the other house in that area.

All the previous deliveries I did on a single fuel tank (I used the same truck for all of them, didn't return to the garage and didn't refuel along the route) and I still had like 60% fuel left in the tank after I was done with all of them.

The 880 is a fuel efficiency beast. Average fuel consumption while pulling dual medium logs on relatively leveled ground was 5.5 L/min with the top engine upgrade and highway gearbox; in offroad, it didn't spike far from 10-ish, and I certainly never reached the crazy high 20-ish numbers that some heavies can get. I got similar fuel consumption ratings while moving a load of 1 concrete slab +1 load of bricks on the truck frame, and an extra 2 slabs of concrete on a trailer, and this is an extremely heavy load.

Only issue I see with it is that when doing double medium logs, the futom trailer coupling sits so low that it can carve into the terrain when the truck is tilted upwards with respect to the trailer. Inversely, the standard log trailer has a pin that will collide with the base of the truck-mounted medium logs attachment. Both trailers sit too close to the truck and this affects the viable steering angles.
Naposledy upravil Rragar; 5. pro. 2024 v 2.04
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