Mud tires

[Jegedillo]

I don't know why they require you to level up so much just to get tires capable of not getting stuck in the mud. Especially when you need mud capable tires in the first level unless you want to get stuck constantly doing the first set of missions. Honestly feel as though the first game was better.

[SlowClick]

Actually muddies aren't that much of a help. The best thing to do is avoid the mud, and that's not hard to do in the 1st maps.

Here is a 'tube I made a few months ago to illustrate my point, and to help- others just starting out..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqLumAlla7k&t=8s

[Nite69]

You can get mud tires unlocked within the first 2 michigan Maps it doesn't take long, it has plenty of missions in just those 2 maps to do it, You do not have to use the swamp route or river on the first michigan map you can go around it crossing the bridge you have to fix to get to the first garage

I had mud tires unlocked just before I started Island Lake which was perfect timing

[Jegedillo]

Originally posted by SlowClick:

Actually muddies aren't that much of a help. The best thing to do is avoid the mud, and that's not hard to do in the 1st maps.

Here is a 'tube I made a few months ago to illustrate my point, and to help- others just starting out..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqLumAlla7k&t=8s

Some of the areas that you have to be in to load materials are in mud. Like the log station. Or the areas where you have to drop materials are in mud. The amount of times I've made it somewhere just to get stuck 20 feet away because they don't give you adequate tires and force you to go to muddy areas for an objective is ridiculous.

[Ebyl]

I did not run into the issue you're describing. It always seemed like there was a way around the worst of the mud or a way to winch yourself through it when needed. And, as far as I know, I'm not playing a different game than you.

[SlowClick]

Ah - the log station in Black River! Very sticky, but sadly mud tyres wont help you there. You have to get the approach just right to avoid the mud, but it's quite doable.

If you think you might encounter a mud trap, take 2 trucks so you can extract a stuck truck. However, it's possible to get 2 stuck trucks! It's all part of the game, and part of learning the game.

[Jegedillo]

Originally posted by Ebyl:

I did not run into the issue you're describing. It always seemed like there was a way around the worst of the mud or a way to winch yourself through it when needed. And, as far as I know, I'm not playing a different game than you.

All well and good to winch yourself when there's a point to do so. If you can find a winch point at the log station in black river then your winch must be 200ft long somehow.

[Rragar]

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

I don't know why they require you to level up so much just to get tires capable of not getting stuck in the mud. Especially when you need mud capable tires in the first level unless you want to get stuck constantly doing the first set of missions. Honestly feel as though the first game was better.

You don't need mud tires for anything that isn't deep mud (like a bog) and deep snow banks. They perform worse than every other option in anything that isn't very deep mud or very deep snow, and to boot they also cause your vehicles to understeer.

All-terrains may not be optimal (and they are not designed to be) but they are sufficient for Michigan. It's more important to observe the terrain properly and to understand how to handle specific vehicles. Swapping to off-road grade only becomes a necessity when you won't be using a lot of roads (if any at all) or when you pick a route that takes you across many different types of off-road terrain. Off-road tires do not cause understeering, and they also provide better traction than mud tires on dirt/gras, rocks, shallow mud, and roads.

The less sophisticated your truck is, the more you have to rely on old-fashioned off-roading skills. These involve managing vehicle momentum and finding alternate routes that will work for your vehicle. The reason why you're not given access to all the fancy high tech at Michigan is to push you into learning how to make ends meet when you have the bare minimum available (and to prepare you for the rest of the game). If you are relying on mud tires for Michigan, you need to go back and re-evaluate your approach.



To illustrate what I mean, I'd like to propose for practice purposes that you get the Ford CLT (which lacks AWD and locking differentials) and that you set it up with a fuel tanker (full of fuel to make it heavy), with all-terrain (yes, I do mean all-terrain) tires and a Highrunner/Highway gearbox. Try getting it up the rocky trail that leads to the gas station outside the starter garage in Michigan; to achieve this, you will have to maintain the momentum of your vehicle in high gear and also pick a less squishy spot to cross the mud that leads to the trail (more grass and closer to the trees = more solid ground). Do this without winching. If you fail, start again until you figure how to do it without a winch. It's all about momentum-management.

Also take the same truck with the same setup and park it on the squishy mud spot at the logging area in the starter map, and let it sink into the mud and get stuck. After it has sunk into the mud, use truck maneuvers in order to get it out, without winching. Try rocking it forward and backward until it gets unstuck, and punch it into high gear to get it rolling as soon as it's free (otherwise, it could get stuck again).

The previous stuff is among the things I've done to practice the barebone basic skills. Give it a shot, it provides you with useful driving insights that you can apply to everything that you drive.

[Rragar]

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

Originally posted by Ebyl:

I did not run into the issue you're describing. It always seemed like there was a way around the worst of the mud or a way to winch yourself through it when needed. And, as far as I know, I'm not playing a different game than you.

All well and good to winch yourself when there's a point to do so. If you can find a winch point at the log station in black river then your winch must be 200ft long somehow.

It's not about being on the lookout for usable winch points; it's about observing the terrain with care, because some parts of it are more squishy than others. And there's always roads that are shorter but nasty, and alternate routes that are longer but easier.

[Ebyl]

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

Originally posted by Ebyl:

I did not run into the issue you're describing. It always seemed like there was a way around the worst of the mud or a way to winch yourself through it when needed. And, as far as I know, I'm not playing a different game than you.

All well and good to winch yourself when there's a point to do so. If you can find a winch point at the log station in black river then your winch must be 200ft long somehow.

You are correct that when you drive yourself into deep mud without making sure there's a winch point (or a series of winch points, if needed), then you're likely screwed. But that's a you issue, not a game issue.

[SlowClick]

Another little 'tube I just recorded - ordinary truck with all-terrain tyres. Oh, this truck has AWD - maybe not ordinarily available this early in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byQdgu-v-KQ

It shows how the get to and from the Black River log station without a hint of getting stuck. It illustrates what I posted above about finding the right approach - and exit!

Hope this helps.

But adding that when I 1st tried this mission a couple of years ago -
1) I tipped over on the track up to the main road,
2) I jackknifed the loaded truck and log carrier rear over the barrier before I got to the first highway bridge - not once, but twice.

[Jegedillo]

Originally posted by Ebyl:

Originally posted by Jegedillo:

All well and good to winch yourself when there's a point to do so. If you can find a winch point at the log station in black river then your winch must be 200ft long somehow.

You are correct that when you drive yourself into deep mud without making sure there's a winch point (or a series of winch points, if needed), then you're likely screwed. But that's a you issue, not a game issue.

When the point that the game wants you to sit stationary in to load supplies has no winch points that's definitely a game issue. Am I supposed to load the supplies from the tree line 100 feet away? You have to be in the square.

[SlowClick]

The point of the game is that it wants the player to find a way to avoid the muddy areas. If the player can't find a way or does not try to find a way, then it's a player problem.

[SlowClick]

Another bit of advice is to leave the logging missions till last - or as late as you can. Or do as I do now (in my hard mode game) and don't do them at all!

[Jegedillo]

Originally posted by SlowClick:

Another bit of advice is to leave the logging missions till last - or as late as you can. Or do as I do now (in my hard mode game) and don't do them at all!

Tried a different mission and drove for an hour to get a trailer delivered. Now the game bugged and I can't turn the trailer in for the mission. God this game is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Ebyl]

Well, we've pointed out what the problem is as well as the solution. If you don't want to believe us, that again is a you problem.

It sounds like you just don't like the game, and that's OK. Snowrunner isn't for everyone. My suggestion is that instead of ignoring our advice, you simply find a game you do enjoy. Best of luck!