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luZk Mar 6, 2024 @ 10:47pm
ZiKZ 612H
Why is everyone driving it in multiplayer? Even on maps like Alaska and Michigan people are almost only using the ZiKZ 612H?

You bought a offroad game but don't like any sort of challenge?
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Nite69 Mar 6, 2024 @ 11:00pm 
thats a standalone dlc truck, and yes most likely added for impatient players, they dont want to wait to levell up and drive that around instead

I at least worked up to getting the 605r (amur region) and earned it
Last edited by Nite69; Mar 6, 2024 @ 11:04pm
NeroScout Mar 7, 2024 @ 5:51am 
Because stock truck will stuck everywhere. Even in easy mud. They lock the mud tyre. Thats the problem. Give us mud tyre option at any level. then we good to go. Zik never stuck.
Nite69 Mar 7, 2024 @ 10:18am 
Originally posted by NeroScout:
Because stock truck will stuck everywhere. Even in easy mud. They lock the mud tyre. Thats the problem. Give us mud tyre option at any level. then we good to go. Zik never stuck.

then buy the jat tire dlc, i read of players saying they help early on and you will have more vehiclwe options

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2353722/SnowRunner__Jack_of_All_Treads_Tire_Pack/
Last edited by Nite69; Mar 7, 2024 @ 10:33am
Beast of War Mar 7, 2024 @ 10:37am 
If they are driving that in Alaska or Michigan they are gimping themselves most of the time.

Because it is a big, cumbersome and slow vehicle that in the base game is rarely needed to traverse snow or mud deep enough to give other, faster and more nimble vehicles real problems. For instance the P16, the Twinsteer and the CAT are large wheel vehicles in that base game that can pull out any vehicle in any swamp there. The first mentioned ( P16 with semi trailer ) can drive cargo through any mud or snow as well.

If you need a fast and ultra capable 2 slot cargo truck the base game ANK is just that. The only downside is it is a bit jumpy and tippy but it will race through most snow or mud.

There are some patches of deep mud or snow yes, but far more rare then in more difficult DLC maps. And the best vehicle ( and tire ! ) is usually the vehicle ( or tire ) that does best on most of the terrain. Not the one that is best on a very few problematic spots on the map.

I do not say it is wrong to use "monster trucks" in the base game. It is just not really necessary. If it is popular it must have a reason.
Last edited by Beast of War; Mar 7, 2024 @ 10:44am
Nite69 Mar 7, 2024 @ 10:43am 
Originally posted by Beast of War:
If they are driving that in Alaska or Michigan they are gimping themselves most of the time.

Because it is a big, cumbersome and slow vehicle that in the base game is rarely needed to traverse snow or mud deep enough to give other, faster and more nimble vehicles real problems. For instance the P16, the Twinsteer and the CAT are large wheel vehicles in that base game that can pull out any vehicle in any swamp there. The first mentioned - can drive cargo through any mud or snow as well.

If you need a fast and ultra capable 2 slot cargo truck the base game ANK is just that. The only downside is it is a bit jumpy and tippy but it will race through most snow or mud.

There are some patches of deep mud or snow yes, but far more rare then in more difficult DLC maps. And the best vehicle ( and tire ! ) is usually the vehicle ( or tire ) that does best on most of the terrain. Not the one that is best on a very few problematic spots on the map.

the Tayga 6436 is also a great starter truck and not far from the first map garage on the base game russia region, a few trips with a scout and repair kits, (stay on the grass for more traction) and ya can drive it out, dont have to tow it
Last edited by Nite69; Mar 7, 2024 @ 11:00am
Rragar Mar 7, 2024 @ 4:43pm 
Originally posted by luZk:
Why is everyone driving it in multiplayer? Even on maps like Alaska and Michigan people are almost only using the ZiKZ 612H?

You bought a offroad game but don't like any sort of challenge?

People who are so chronically dependent on a crutch that they never learn (or care to learn) when and why to engage (or disengage) AWD and differential locks, and who get the fake impression that those heavy trucks are a good solution for everything. If you get the chance to keep an eye on them, you'll see that they are usually unaware of what's going on with other people, they usually cause more trouble than they solve when trying to assist someone, and if for some reason they swap into another truck that requires manual functions, they often can't get it across obstacles that would be very easy for the truck to overcome if you're operating it correctly.

Then if you happen to get the opportunity to question them as I seldom have had the chance, they usually reply with any possible answer that demonstrates ignorance, incompetence and lack of observational skills, like "cause it's easier" (which isn't true cause enforced diff locks make a lot of things more complicated, and that truck size and speed also make other things more complicated) or "cause everything else sucks" (which again isn't true cause you can just take the tutorial trucks into the toughest zones and get things masterfully done with them if you learned how to use them).

If I see servers full of these sorts, I just leave. That's why I rarely host. It's much easier to land a proper server if you can browse, than waiting 15 minutes for somebody to join and then it turns out to be someone who wants to use crutches everywhere instead of getting real.

Last edited by Rragar; Mar 7, 2024 @ 4:51pm
Rragar Mar 7, 2024 @ 5:03pm 
Originally posted by NeroScout:
Because stock truck will stuck everywhere. Even in easy mud. They lock the mud tyre. Thats the problem. Give us mud tyre option at any level. then we good to go. Zik never stuck.

This is why I didn't like the idea of that DLC, it just creates this fake impression that you need mud tires or a heavy truck or a truck with always-on AWD/diff locks to do anything.

You don't need mud tires since the start. All-terrain tires will get you anywhere in any of the starting zones as long as you can maintain the momentum of the truck and as long as you don't load excessive weight on the truck. Avoid the mud. There's lots of ways to stay away from it. I've done game starts with nothing but all-terrains. And in those places where you do benefit from more specialized tires, there's trucks you find at the location that already come fitted with them.

The only places where you really want mud tires more than any other tire sort, are swamps, river crossings, and places with deep snow/deep mud that cover very large areas. And even these places, you can do with sub-optimal offroad tires.
Vimpster Mar 7, 2024 @ 5:06pm 
I think much of the blame is on the developers for making DLC trucks free. A new player isn't going to appreciate that it kills the original game balance so it makes sense they will choose what they think is the best thing they have immediately. Later on they may come to appreciate that they made the game boring for themselves.
Rragar Mar 7, 2024 @ 9:25pm 
Originally posted by Vimpster:
I think much of the blame is on the developers for making DLC trucks free. A new player isn't going to appreciate that it kills the original game balance so it makes sense they will choose what they think is the best thing they have immediately. Later on they may come to appreciate that they made the game boring for themselves.

I agree with this, but it also makes me wonder: how did the new players that rely on those things, figure that people did this stuff before those DLCs existed? Is that a question they stop to ponder?

It's kinda how in Elite Dangerous some people think that ship engineering is an absolutely essential requisite for combat, and yet people who did combat in that game before engineering was a thing, figured out how to do it anyway and know how to do it without engineering.
Beast of War Mar 7, 2024 @ 11:41pm 
Well the game developers also put rock chokepoints in the maps and these will block the likes of ZIKZ 612H and other "monster size" trucks.

So to use these per default is to deny yourself making use of some important routes.

I f i were to pick an "OP" vehicle - that does not belong there originally - for the base game, that consists of some 80 % dirt roads and light mud or snow i would say the 8x8 Mack Defense : it can power itself through anything there with a modern powerful engine, it is narrow enough to pass through rock chokepoints in routes, it won't roll over too easily and with the 4 slot trailer it can haul 6 slots of cargo ( and i guess you could tow another trailer for 2-4 slots more ) and carry a crane. It even has some spare fuel and repair points on the roof.

And since the Mack Defense is an American vehicle, it is not out of character in Michigan and Alaska either. ( and i think that as an European :-)
Last edited by Beast of War; Mar 8, 2024 @ 1:23am
herrschaftg35 Mar 8, 2024 @ 4:38pm 
Work smarter, not harder.
Riktor87 Mar 9, 2024 @ 4:03am 
Mines specifically relegated to the heavy crane platform for rescuing heavier trucks that have rolled just because crane use especially on some inclines and slopes can be quite tippy at times, and havent even purchased any of the azov line of trucks, and honestly when I join random coop sessions and see an azov, and ziks out in the field in tandem i just dont even bother trying to help whoever it is with tasks and contracts and just quit back and look for another session. They obviously don't want or need help at that point. Least imo
Last edited by Riktor87; Mar 9, 2024 @ 4:07am
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Date Posted: Mar 6, 2024 @ 10:47pm
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