Useless trucks that need rework/ overhaul

[Space Cowboy]

I like kenworth as a company and would be stoked to see the sister company peterbilt make an entrance as well. however this game has a large deal with introducing highway over the road trucks for a game that is almost exclusively off road. this truck has 0 AWD.

can you run it with out it? yes but it is a headache and a half unless there's large stretches of pavement. they did the same thing with western stars new line up of highway and vocational trucks they got licensed a few dlc's ago and no one wanted them till they added the AWD.

this game is 90% being stuck in thick mud so AWD is almost a necessity for a large portion of the player base and the terrain is often mud to where I dont look at any other transmission other that the 4 gear off road cause nothing else is worth it or gives better traction. this is basically a licensed reskin of the P512 that looks like the CAT trucks and they have AWD. so if you want to be a completionist buy it but otherwise not worth until they add more tarmac/pavement to these maps this will sit unused as the P512, the paystar, the trans star and the ford 9000 will and any other truck lacking AWD/off road functionality/purpose or the apache that is front wheel drive and only works in AWD.

be nice to see them add the chevy bison and conventional ford 9000 and the old gmc and chevy apache step side and what not form the wildlands and old timer dlcs in mud runner even as a port to this game but its just random license stuff now.

[Vimpster]

Escrito originalmente por Kokiboo:

At this point I hope both of you are lying because otherwise what you're doing can only be described as stupidity.

It is called having fun. Making more work for yourself and making more use of all the vehicles in the game makes it more satisfying and entertaining.

[FafnirChaos]

Escrito originalmente por Kokiboo:

Escrito originalmente por Nasder:

What limitations? I play with no free repair, no free fuel, recovery cost money. Trucks from outside of region cost 3 times more to repair. And I also go with 2x damage. Oh, and I forgot, no free loading.

EDIT: Forgot I don't have free loading.

So you have no free loading but drive trucks with no crane? Then what, you pay $150 every time? And you don't have free recovery/fuel but you run trucks that don't have range to do the entire trip? What do you do then, just leave them? Use another truck to bring more fuel, wasting time? And when one of your wheel pops and you have no spare, you bring a wheel to it every time?

At this point I hope both of you are lying because otherwise what you're doing can only be described as stupidity.

The crane itself requires more fuel because of it's weight - and is easier to tip over. It is better to have a stationary crane where you need it and have a safer and faster transport - then dealing with that crane.

After loading you can use those "useless" trucks to transport your cargo to it's destation.

You can use another "useless" truck to haul fuel/repair and place it in an area on the map in the event of fuel/repair needs to make your job/s more efficient.

There is more to this game then using your 5 dollar dlc truck just to be able to beat it - it's called strategy.

[Nasder]

Escrito originalmente por Kokiboo:

So you have no free loading but drive trucks with no crane? Then what, you pay $150 every time? And you don't have free recovery/fuel but you run trucks that don't have range to do the entire trip? What do you do then, just leave them? Use another truck to bring more fuel, wasting time? And when one of your wheel pops and you have no spare, you bring a wheel to it every time?

Depending on the situation, I have another truck with a crane that loads. Or I might have a crane on the truck. Or I pay 150.

My trucks can do the entire trip so far, but I do have a truck specifically for refueling and/or repairing when needed (including wheels). I've done trips with a busted wheel because it still works and repairing the wheel would be too much work from that location. I don't need a pristine truck all the time, I just need it to work and get the job done. But I do repair them when it's suitable or needed.

But if I screw up too much, I might have to do some serious work to rescue a truck. If I am unable to rescue it, I need to pay a fee to recover it.

This makes the game require planning and scouting on my part. Which makes the game more fun for me. It probably takes much longer for me to do the different jobs compared to you for sure. But I like the challenge, I like the planning that it requires. I can't just jump into a truck and press accelerate. I need to know what I'm getting myself into before I start.

We clearly have different ways of enjoying this game.

[K***boo]

Escrito originalmente por FafnirChaos:

The crane itself requires more fuel because of it's weight - and is easier to tip over. It is better to have a stationary crane where you need it and have a safer and faster transport - then dealing with that crane.

After loading you can use those "useless" trucks to transport your cargo to it's destation.

You can use another "useless" truck to haul fuel/repair and place it in an area on the map in the event of fuel/repair needs to make your job/s more efficient.

Ah, so your solution is to have another truck to do the job of the truck you're using. Which indeed proves the truck you're using is useless(and doubles your workload) Glad we agree on most trucks being useless then.

There is more to this game then using your 5 dollar dlc truck just to be able to beat it - it's called strategy.

Trying to hammer a nail with a crowbar just to see if you can do it without breaking your fingers is not what I'd call "strategy".

And no, I don't use DLC trucks. Ironically, most of them are also useless.

[Nasder]

Escrito originalmente por Kokiboo:

Ah, so your solution is to have another truck to do the job of the truck you're using. Which indeed proves the truck you're using is useless(and doubles your workload) Glad we agree on most trucks being useless then.

"You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means."

If it serves a purpose, it's not useless.

[FafnirChaos]

Escrito originalmente por Kokiboo:

Escrito originalmente por FafnirChaos:

The crane itself requires more fuel because of it's weight - and is easier to tip over. It is better to have a stationary crane where you need it and have a safer and faster transport - then dealing with that crane.

After loading you can use those "useless" trucks to transport your cargo to it's destation.

You can use another "useless" truck to haul fuel/repair and place it in an area on the map in the event of fuel/repair needs to make your job/s more efficient.

Ah, so your solution is to have another truck to do the job of the truck you're using. Which indeed proves the truck you're using is useless(and doubles your workload) Glad we agree on most trucks being useless then.

There is more to this game then using your 5 dollar dlc truck just to be able to beat it - it's called strategy.

Trying to hammer a nail with a crowbar just to see if you can do it without breaking your fingers is not what I'd call "strategy".

And no, I don't use DLC trucks. Ironically, most of them are also useless.

You're example makes no sense to you're point - what you're describing is actually my point - thank you for that - you're example would be using hydraulic press in order to put that nail into the board. Instead of using multiple tools in order to get you're work finished.

[TimS]

Which dlcs or season passes are best ? Which to buy for around 30 euros of budget ?

[¦Φ+Trasher <CZ>Φ~¦]

season 1,2,3 ? buy all

[TimS]

I have just 30 euros so I think about just buying the best dlcs out of them but I don’t know which contains the best trucks I just got the base game gifted

[Leonid]

Escrito originalmente por Lt.EmileYT:

I have just 30 euros so I think about just buying the best dlcs out of them but I don’t know which contains the best trucks I just got the base game gifted

Try base game. When you finish 3 maps you will understand what you need or no need at all.

[Maxwell Boltzman Graph]

Escrito originalmente por Vimpster:

Escrito originalmente por 1 Bullet:

The highway trucks simply lack "reasonable" map areas for them to show their strengths.

I don't think every truck needs to have strengths. Some trucks are just more challenging to drive than others, and I think that is very good that we have the variety of challenge to choose from. As someone who uses the Transtar (A truck that many players consider useless) a lot, I can confidently say that even the most "useless" of trucks can navigate the majority of most maps in the game without the need of excessive winching or towing by skilled/experienced drivers. If you are not a skilled driver, or just don't have the time or patience to put more thought into your driving than maybe some trucks are just not for you. Maybe you find them useless, but seeing as I make considerable use out of them means they are objectively not useless.

You know which trucks I use the least and would not mind if they were taken out of the game? The Kolobs, the tatarin, the Antartic, the ZikZ 605R and 612H. I rarely use such vehicles because I do not find them fun to drive, but I do not advocate that they change those vehicles to suit my taste because they are adding variety to the game.

I think it is extremely telling with this reply that it wouldn't matter what anyone says your going to not open your mind at all to the actual discussion. Even more troubling is that you move to call anyone who doesn't hold your (flawed) belief that they must be impatient and lacking in skill. Honestly this response is shameful. You have exactly proven my point thank you, you want to drive the truck because its "challenging" for you which does not correlate to the map usage and furthermore only provides 1 dimension of play.

In a very real sense you would prefer that the game puts a chevy corvette in the game so you can "accept the challenge" of trying to pull 2 units of bricks up a mountain with an offroad scout trailer with a corvette. I would never stoop to your level and say that "that is the wrong way" what I would say is that there is no real way to "win" this game as you seem to approach.

Your approach to the game, is in a few words. "doing the task with the most complicated equipment to accomplish it". OK that's fine I understand there is a certain level of accomplishment to complete a task with a vehicle no one expects. ALTHOUGH The other ways to play in which you have complete disregard for is, "The fastest/most efficient time to complete the task", "the most cost effective way to complete the task" and finally a hybrid of those 2. If not even a few more. These would require a more complex balance of equipment and map.

If no truck needs to have strengths then they should all just have the same values of HP and traction in fact why not just have a single set of vehicle values with different skins?
Your disregard for the various play styles is disgusting, you should consider other approaches other than attempting to high road other players for their play style in a largely sandbox game. I also wouldn't try to sit and assume noone else can do what you do, its just not their chosen approach.

[Maxwell Boltzman Graph]

I have no use for further replies.

[Vimpster]

Escrito originalmente por 1 Bullet:

I think it is extremely telling with this reply that it wouldn't matter what anyone says your going to not open your mind at all to the actual discussion. Even more troubling is that you move to call anyone who doesn't hold your (flawed) belief that they must be impatient and lacking in skill. Honestly this response is shameful. You have exactly proven my point thank you, you want to drive the truck because its "challenging" for you which does not correlate to the map usage and furthermore only provides 1 dimension of play.

I'm sorry, what? How did you read my response and come to that conclusion? I was doing the exact opposite of what you are suggesting. I was advocating for a variety of play styles by having trucks with a variety of challenge levels as their currently is. It is the OP that wants to homogenize the trucks so that they are all equally useful with no difference in play style accounted for.

Would I enjoy the challenge of using a corvette in this game? Only if it was possible to use it without relying on the winch constantly. I use the weakest trucks in the game without needing to winch much at all. That is rewarding and satisfying. The OP wants to take that away and make all the trucks super easy to drive. If someone can't use the weakest trucks in the game currently without winching all the time than yeah, I would say that is a skill issue. I have nothing against people lacking skill in the game, power to them, but their are plenty of easy trucks for such players to use.

[Nightwolf]

the problem isnt about trucks being useless so much as they were thrown in there without any rhyme or reason to them so they feel useless.

what should have happened was trucks would be divided into early/mid/late game and you could customize these trucks within a measure of degrees to perform a little better outside those roles.

the game makes no attempt at all to give a new player a feeling of there being early/mid/late game. you just get dumped in there with a truck and a billion open missions only to find your early game trucks useless 90% of the time.

what should have happen was the player would be locked to early game missions where their early game trucks would be most useful until they got a proper understanding of this early/mid/late mentality via a very direct quest line and worked on a truck fleet accordingly.


that never happened

now i know this but not because the game EVER told me.

thats the problem and it will never ever be fixed.

to make matters worse there is no classification system in game to give any sense of a truck being early/mid/late. you just kinda have to work it out yourself. which is stupid

the crap A B C system they have is meaningless.

you have to crack open the files for engine and truck data and only then do you see the truth.

a truck with a B rating in power to weight is in some instances FAR superior to a truck with the SAME engine with a S+ rating.

so yes the early game trucks are useless soon because it doesnt take much to unlock mid game trucks so you are stuck unlocking all these early game trucks you dont need when there are better mid/late game trucks you can quickly gain access to. it soon feels like the game is just filled with useless trucks because of crap planning.

[Rragar]

Escrito originalmente por CC Mountain Chicken:

I like kenworth as a company and would be stoked to see the sister company peterbilt make an entrance as well. however this game has a large deal with introducing highway over the road trucks for a game that is almost exclusively off road. this truck has 0 AWD.

can you run it with out it? yes but it is a headache and a half unless there's large stretches of pavement. they did the same thing with western stars new line up of highway and vocational trucks they got licensed a few dlc's ago and no one wanted them till they added the AWD.

this game is 90% being stuck in thick mud so AWD is almost a necessity for a large portion of the player base and the terrain is often mud to where I dont look at any other transmission other that the 4 gear off road cause nothing else is worth it or gives better traction.

1.- If you think the game is 90% stuck in deep mud, you are not reading the terrain nor creating your own routes, you're falling for "logic traps" where the visually shortest path to get somewhere is also the slowest and most difficult one, and you're probably also sticking to a handful of routes in a handful of maps because deep mud pits are not *everywhere* nor do they account for 90% of the game. Not even in places like Don or Kola is it like that.

2.- Trucks without AWD are still quite capable at off-roading, even doing off-road inside mud/snow. I've driven that new Kenworth through muddy river crossings and without winching, where a bunch of trucks with always-on AWD and always-on differential locking would have been dragged away by the current or would have been unable to reach all the way down for proper traction. I've done similar stuff in addition to snow driving with the P16 and the P512PF, both of which also lack AWD but perform very well regardless. I've even gotten stuff like the Ford CLT9000 (no locking differentials and no AWD) to do proper off-roading while using all-terrain tires, get unstuck from mud unassisted and without winch points, and while carrying a heavy fuel tank addon. A proper approach when off-roading, will get you farther than a proper truck alone.

3.- High Runner transmissions are extremely useful to trucks without differential locks and without front axle drive, since you have to drive them at higher engine RPMs and these transmissions help you achieve that, especially with their higher output High Gear. For trucks with always-on differential locks, High Runner transmissions enable you to sustain high speeds while in off-road and pulling heavy cargo (a few of them can even cross mud pits in high gear when not carrying cargo, but I don't recommend it due to the significant road damage you will cause). These transmissions definitely aren't a good choice for deep mud pits, nor for vehicle recovery. But neither is it true that deep mud is 90% of the game.