Pacific Drive

Pacific Drive

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Bing Chilling Feb 9, 2024 @ 1:57pm
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Optimization is kinda bad
hopefully it's better on full release, as the game itself is pretty fun
it's not awful but for how the game looks the optimization is not amazing

i have a i5 8600k 4.8ghz
gtx 1070
16gb ddr4 3200mhz

with ultra textures and everything else on med
i'm getting drops into the 50s at 1080p 90% resolution scale
the game also stutters a fair amount.

Sure the 1070 is quite old but it's still decent in most other new titles
that look alot better, seems to have something to do with how the lighting/shaders are
done. shadows are also a huge fps killer.


even other UE5 games such as "the finals" run better on the 1070
anyways, hopefully it's improved for full release.
Originally posted by crackachu:
Originally posted by Kruxed:
I've just tested it and it seems like AA does nothing so there might be a visual bug which would affect performance but its not going to solve your issues.
If you expect a game with this level of overall detail of lighting to run at 60fps on a nearly 10 year old GPU then it won't matter what anyone tells you, but you're going to need to upgrade your machine or sacrifice playing such games, sucks but thats how it goes

Originally posted by Arty:

You're talking about other games and steam issues and using it as a way to frame an argument against this game and to state I said something untrue, its like saying steak is not a premium meat because $2 steak exists, its ludicrous.
The case has always been obvious, if you only barely meet minimum specs then the game won't run well no matter what you do, thats you, not the developers.

>overall detail of lighting
Brother, have you tried running the demo with everything set to minimum? Do you really believe that this game at 1080p absolute minimum settings has the graphical fidelity to justify sub-60fps on a 1070?

Hell, I've seen people with 3060s complaining they can't get more than ~30fps on a mixture of medium/high. Like what???

The game looks nice in an aesthetic sense. In a technical sense, as repeated ad nauseum, there is nothing that would require this much raw power. Raytracing? Nuh-uh. Absurd polygon counts? No, the game is stylized and semi-cartoony, you don't need 2094108510 polygons on a barrel unless you're going for absolute photorealism.

I look at Alan Wake 2 and it makes sense that it runs poorly on a 1070. I wouldn't expect it to run well on a 1070.

I look at Pacific Drive and I see nothing that would prevent a locked 60fps experience on a 1070, even if on absolute minimum settings.

Is a 1070 below the Minimum requirements? Sure. But the devs set the minimum requirements based on the performance they observe. As in, the heavier the game, the higher the requirements. What I (and I think some others, but I can only talk for myself) am arguing is that, from what I saw, the game is unnecessarily heavy.

It's completely absurd to me that the Deck, which can run Red Dead Redemption 2 at medium-high settings at ~40fps, gets under 20fps in this demo with everything on minimum and resolution scale set to 0 (therefore making it look like a GBA game).

Originally posted by James Finn:
Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-Core Processor, 3401 Mhz
RTX 4090
32gb DDR4 3200

Runs just fine for me. Upgrade your computer.

Originally posted by Father Lamb:
Originally posted by Kruxed:
You have a good PC




For 2017


And that is the core issue here, if the game doesn't scale well then thats on the devs but your system barely beats the MINIMUM specs and doesn't meet the recommended specs, this is how it goes


Recommended:

Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 10
Processor: Intel Core i5-10600k
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia RTX 2080/3070

Minimum:

Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system
OS: Windows 10
Processor: Intel Core i5 8600
Memory: 16 GB RAM
Graphics: Nvidia GTX 1060 6GB

Minimum means minimum to run the game at all, recommended is to play at 1080p 60fps, you fall quite short of this with both your CPU and GPU and your CPU is a bottle neck, all below 8 thread CPU's are today

People will never understand this concept.. Just give up lol

This kind of comment is also missing the point. Sure, OP's build needs a refresh, but that's not the main issue - whether you're playing on a 1070 or a 4090, the demo still runs obnoxiously inefficiently.

Imagine Ford releases a minivan that only runs on jet fuel. They specifically state it only runs on jet fuel, so if you can't afford jet fuel, you know not to buy it. That's fine.
The thing is, do you really need to combust jet fuel to drive at 60 km/h?

Do you really need a nuclear powerplant to power a town with 20 residents?
What are those 20 residents doing, setting up the mother of all bitcoin farms?
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iwblake  [developer] Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:02pm 
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You technically meet our minimum spec but that's targeted at Low/Medium settings, specifically a 1080p 30-60FPS target - I'd drop textures from Ultra to High or even Medium if you'd like to get 100+ frames.

We are aware that shaders, shadows, and lighting are adding additional load, and we're making additional performance tweaks for the launch version of the game.
Bing Chilling Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:02pm 
Originally posted by iwblake:
You technically meet our minimum spec but that's targeted at Low/Medium settings, specifically a 1080p 30-60FPS target - I'd drop textures from Ultra to High or even Medium if you'd like to get 100+ frames.

We are aware that shaders, shadows, and lighting are adding additional load, and we're making additional performance tweaks for the launch version of the game.
how would lowering the textures improve the framerate?
the game doesn't even use 5gb of vram (the 1070 has 8gb)
Last edited by Bing Chilling; Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:03pm
Bing Chilling Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:08pm 
Just tired everything on med including textures. nothing changed
GPU usage doesn't go past 95% still getting dips into the 50s
it's not my CPU bottlenecking ether as i can drop it to 720p and get 80-90fps

Idk how this game runs so bad for how meh it looks
Tim Dungeon Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:16pm 
You’re using a card that’s nearing 10 years old and trying to run the game settings on ultra. I’m surprised you expected 100fps.
Father Lamb Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:17pm 
Originally posted by Tim Dungeon:
You’re using a card that’s nearing 10 years old and trying to run the game settings on ultra. I’m surprised you expected 100fps.

Half of the complaints any more in every E.A. Title, demo, w/e.. its always people using dated hardware crying "Omguuurrd please optimize it"

COME ON....
Bing Chilling Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:20pm 
Originally posted by Tim Dungeon:
You’re using a card that’s nearing 10 years old and trying to run the game settings on ultra. I’m surprised you expected 100fps.
when did i say i wanted ultra? or 100fps. don't put words in my mouth.
i had textures on ultra, (textures don't effect fps unless you run out of vram
i also have literally everything on med and i get 50-60fps



Originally posted by Father Lamb:
Originally posted by Tim Dungeon:
You’re using a card that’s nearing 10 years old and trying to run the game settings on ultra. I’m surprised you expected 100fps.

Half of the complaints any more in every E.A. Title, demo, w/e.. its always people using dated hardware crying "Omguuurrd please optimize it"

COME ON....
well i'm surprised a game that looks like unturned with a graphics pack runs so meh

med everything with 90% resolution scaling at 1080p
getting 50fps? seems like it's not well optimized.

like i mentioned (you probably didn't even read past the specs)
the finals runs far better and looks alot better.

don't defend badly optimized titles.
Last edited by Bing Chilling; Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:22pm
crackachu Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:48pm 
Originally posted by iwblake:
You technically meet our minimum spec but that's targeted at Low/Medium settings, specifically a 1080p 30-60FPS target - I'd drop textures from Ultra to High or even Medium if you'd like to get 100+ frames.

We are aware that shaders, shadows, and lighting are adding additional load, and we're making additional performance tweaks for the launch version of the game.

Possibly the funniest dev response I've seen on Steam, and completely disproven by OP in under 10 minutes.




Originally posted by Tim Dungeon:
You’re using a card that’s nearing 10 years old and trying to run the game settings on ultra. I’m surprised you expected 100fps.


Originally posted by Father Lamb:
Originally posted by Tim Dungeon:
You’re using a card that’s nearing 10 years old and trying to run the game settings on ultra. I’m surprised you expected 100fps.

Half of the complaints any more in every E.A. Title, demo, w/e.. its always people using dated hardware crying "Omguuurrd please optimize it"

COME ON....

Bruh moment.
Bing Chilling Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:51pm 
Originally posted by pikachu on crack:

Bruh moment.
you know it's not well optimized when ARK survival evolved and resident evil 4 remake run better and look far far better. I do really hope this game gets a decent amount of optimization for release, i do really like the game.
Last edited by Bing Chilling; Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:53pm
Dark Phoenix Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:57pm 
Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

Idk how this game runs so bad for how meh it looks

I believe the demo is based off quite an old version of the game, which would explain why the optimisation isnt the best.
Bing Chilling Feb 9, 2024 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by Dark Phoenix:
Originally posted by Bing Chilling:

Idk how this game runs so bad for how meh it looks

I believe the demo is based off quite an old version of the game, which would explain why the optimisation isnt the best.
i really hope so
Father Lamb Feb 9, 2024 @ 3:24pm 
Originally posted by Bing Chilling:
Originally posted by pikachu on crack:

Bruh moment.
you know it's not well optimized when ARK survival evolved and resident evil 4 remake run better and look far far better. I do really hope this game gets a decent amount of optimization for release, i do really like the game.

I mean.. I got it maxed out from the time I played and ultra wide.. its literally super smooth. But it does look nice, It doesn't tax newer hardware as much, which further proves my point. You're nearing the end of a cycle with that build and i dont even mean that in a rude way. Not everything is gonna last
crackachu Feb 9, 2024 @ 7:26pm 
Originally posted by Father Lamb:
Originally posted by Bing Chilling:
you know it's not well optimized when ARK survival evolved and resident evil 4 remake run better and look far far better. I do really hope this game gets a decent amount of optimization for release, i do really like the game.

I mean.. I got it maxed out from the time I played and ultra wide.. its literally super smooth. But it does look nice, It doesn't tax newer hardware as much, which further proves my point. You're nearing the end of a cycle with that build and i dont even mean that in a rude way. Not everything is gonna last

I want to play this, seems like a cool game.

That said, while I agree that a 1070 is a bit long in the tooth, I also think that performance wasn't good in the demo, from my experience on Deck and the posts in the forum saying the same thing. I set everything to minimum, Resolution Scaling to 0, and had a locked 30fps at the beginning (all I wanted!), but as soon as I installed the ARC device on my car my fps since has been 15-20. I see no reason for this other than bad optimization or some bug with Proton (maybe someone on Windows could test?)

Super smooth also means different things to different people. What GPU do you have? What FPS are you targeting? What resolution are you running?
I guess I just didn't expect this game to be so hard to run. My desktop is currently being repaired, so the Deck is all I have and I wanted to try it.

By the way, not sure if this is reproducible on lower end desktop GPUs, but on Deck there seems to be a severe GPU limitation - it gets pegged to 100% most of the time.
The weird thing is that no matter how low I drop the resolution, the framerate stays basically the same (from ~18fps at 720p to ~20fps with Resolution Scaling set to 0 in the same scene).

Maybe it's just the demo as the devs said, maybe the performance just doesn't scale that well, or maybe everyone on the forums complaining about performance isn't actually on Windows and Proton is actually the issue - we'll see in a few days.
Permyack Feb 9, 2024 @ 7:44pm 
Originally posted by pikachu on crack:
Originally posted by Father Lamb:

I mean.. I got it maxed out from the time I played and ultra wide.. its literally super smooth. But it does look nice, It doesn't tax newer hardware as much, which further proves my point. You're nearing the end of a cycle with that build and i dont even mean that in a rude way. Not everything is gonna last

I want to play this, seems like a cool game.

That said, while I agree that a 1070 is a bit long in the tooth, I also think that performance wasn't good in the demo, from my experience on Deck and the posts in the forum saying the same thing. I set everything to minimum, Resolution Scaling to 0, and had a locked 30fps at the beginning (all I wanted!), but as soon as I installed the ARC device on my car my fps since has been 15-20. I see no reason for this other than bad optimization or some bug with Proton (maybe someone on Windows could test?)

Super smooth also means different things to different people. What GPU do you have? What FPS are you targeting? What resolution are you running?
I guess I just didn't expect this game to be so hard to run. My desktop is currently being repaired, so the Deck is all I have and I wanted to try it.

By the way, not sure if this is reproducible on lower end desktop GPUs, but on Deck there seems to be a severe GPU limitation - it gets pegged to 100% most of the time.
The weird thing is that no matter how low I drop the resolution, the framerate stays basically the same (from ~18fps at 720p to ~20fps with Resolution Scaling set to 0 in the same scene).

Maybe it's just the demo as the devs said, maybe the performance just doesn't scale that well, or maybe everyone on the forums complaining about performance isn't actually on Windows and Proton is actually the issue - we'll see in a few days.

The minimum system requirements look inflated for these graphics.
The graphics look good, but I don't see the basis for these requirements.
Cyberpunk 2077 was pretty raw at the time of release, but I was able to get through it with more success than this demo. And it has an open world, tons of objects, characters and the like.
I'm sure this game could work fine with the
GTX 1050Ti
i5-6400 2.7Ghz
16 RAM
Yes, it's an old and weak build by today's standards, but it worked with Cyberpunk, so why can't it work well with Pacific Drive as well?
Where are the graphics to justify all this?

P.S. You can write that this configuration is outdated and it's a potato. You may even be right about that. But have these graphics gone further than Сyberpunk? I don't think so, it's just bad optimization.
Last edited by Permyack; Feb 9, 2024 @ 7:58pm
Syntaxis Feb 9, 2024 @ 8:19pm 
Originally posted by Bing Chilling:
Originally posted by iwblake:
You technically meet our minimum spec but that's targeted at Low/Medium settings, specifically a 1080p 30-60FPS target - I'd drop textures from Ultra to High or even Medium if you'd like to get 100+ frames.

We are aware that shaders, shadows, and lighting are adding additional load, and we're making additional performance tweaks for the launch version of the game.
how would lowering the textures improve the framerate?
the game doesn't even use 5gb of vram (the 1070 has 8gb)

Bro... that's how graphics work. it runs great, your hardware is old
Druinthor Feb 9, 2024 @ 8:35pm 
"GPU Processing: The Graphics Processing Unit (GPU) is responsible for rendering textures on the screen. High-quality textures demand more GPU power to process and display them accurately. By reducing texture quality, the GPU has to handle less complex textures, which reduces the workload and allows it to render frames faster. This, in turn, leads to higher frame rates and smoother gameplay."
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