Is there any point in buying this now?

[Roger a Muirebe]

The game is on sale but the player count is ridiculously low, so I expect long queue times and getting massacred by people who play it constantly. Is this a correct assumption? Should I wait until the promised update in December?

[redhead9]

Im not even sure if this game will survive past that. They had a near winning formula in the first beta and threw it all away to try and copy every other extraction shooter.

[Vampire Knight]

I mean for 15€ give it a try. Had some very mixed expierences, but if you dont play the game your one guy more whos not keeping the game alive ;)

[Queen of Thorns]

dont buy it its not worth it

[George | tinyBuild]

Originally posted by redhead9:

Im not even sure if this game will survive past that. They had a near winning formula in the first beta and threw it all away to try and copy every other extraction shooter.

Do you mean the Closed Beta we held back in March? It would be great if you elaborated on what changes we made after the Closed Beta you didn't like.

[SpiralD]

Originally posted by George | tinyBuild:

Originally posted by redhead9:

Im not even sure if this game will survive past that. They had a near winning formula in the first beta and threw it all away to try and copy every other extraction shooter.

Do you mean the Closed Beta we held back in March? It would be great if you elaborated on what changes we made after the Closed Beta you didn't like.

I think they are talking about your early betas.
More specifically the shift from the survival genre to call of duty.

When we all played at first, the expectation was you go in grab loot don't get caught by the alien.

Then i think it was the 3rd beta, the focus of the patch was nerf the alien and fix more gun play related stuff.

The feel game after that patch never has changed.
Lot of people where saying the alien was weak and that should of been the focus as that is the hook..
What's unique.. Why one would play this game over anything else.

Sorry about the messy writing.
This is my perspective anyway as someone who enjoys the game even after the change.
(I mean playing merc only)

[Dirty Rotten Flieger]

When they said they were INCREASING the number of human players on each map to twelve I knew it was over.
I don't want to fight 11 humans with guns . I want to sneak and loot and fight the alien.
It was impossible to beat 3 humans with gun by myself because there are no head shots. I play other extraction shooters where a solo can beat squads with deadly head shots but this game you gotta mag dump each player in turn....
Shame it wanted this to succeed

[Roger a Muirebe]

I guess I'll wait for the content update and see if anything improves, but I'm not optimistic. I know the devs have said repeatedly that they won't add a PvE or offline mode, but it may be the only way to save this game. It's a shame because I really like concept and aesthetics.

[Raoul Duke]

Originally posted by Roger a Muirebe:

I guess I'll wait for the content update and see if anything improves, but I'm not optimistic. I know the devs have said repeatedly that they won't add a PvE or offline mode, but it may be the only way to save this game. It's a shame because I really like concept and aesthetics.

well you can forget that cool concept and aesthic, it's gone, it's just a generic extraction shooter where you can shoot a player controled alien now

[Corporal-Sheppard]

its just there are too many extraction games now. Where it only make sense to play the more popular ones. This game is still tooo early access to get into. IT has a great concept. But so did marauders, and now that game is pretty much dead as well. Not to mention With delta force coming out another FREE mp extraction game you just cant really survive on being a paid one. Especially when you are competing with much better paid ones like Tarkov/Hunt.

[Instynct]

Don't buy the game it's not worth it anymore sadly, the player base slowly died because the core game-play loop became redundant when aliens became so strong that they were impossible to deal with even as a stacked trio with 300+ hours between us all. Their is no benefit to not being an alien especially when aliens never get punished for playing poorly. People kept begging for alien to be "stronger" not realizing that most players aren't the aliens with unlimited lives. Genuinely the most fun raids I ever had was when the alien wasn't hyper focusing me for the entire raid and I was able to actually play the rest of the game instead of being forced to instantly leave the raid because the aliens suicide rushed us for 5 minutes straight.

[Ronin]

Absolutely not. Devs killed off the playerbase and let Alien players suffer for weeks before implementing random changes that nobody was asked for (This is in the face of 1-2 weeks of hundreds of Alien players making hundreds of instances of the same complaints. Devs addressed none of it and came up with their own 'fixes' that basicallly did nothing and introduced more bugs that used up EVEN MORE player time by making the electricity hitbox tiny - another thing literally nobody asked for. Whoever gave the green light for this game to be put out to the public and whoever was in charge of playtesting should be fired and blacklisted from the gaming industry, no exaggeration.

[Eldritch Panda]

"Changed the way how light damages alien monsters. Now, basic light sources do not harm the aliens; instead, only UV lights do"
Aliens were always broken beyond belief, now they are practically unstoppable once you use up your limited "UV" flares. Even then, now flares can be EMPed so you're pretty much dead the moment they get EMP.

5 alien players spammed the forums and the devs thought it was their main player base. thousands of players leaving the game after aliens were perma buffed disproved every "alien main", and now nobody except aliens want to play.

[Mr. Nobody]

Originally posted by Roger a Muirebe:

The game is on sale but the player count is ridiculously low, so I expect long queue times and getting massacred by people who play it constantly. Is this a correct assumption? Should I wait until the promised update in December?

i was in every playtest and had every intention of buying this game. That was until the devs took a nice dump on everyone and essentially made the game pay to win with more expensive packs giving those who buy them an up on literally everyone else, and they get these items every month since the devs decided to do a monthly wipe. We all told them what not to do and instead they listened to their loud minority. Glad those select few are enjoying the game but i'm sure the devs are kicking themselves rn and at this point most of us lost faith anything would be fixed.

[Mr. Nobody]

Originally posted by George | tinyBuild:

Originally posted by redhead9:

Im not even sure if this game will survive past that. They had a near winning formula in the first beta and threw it all away to try and copy every other extraction shooter.

Do you mean the Closed Beta we held back in March? It would be great if you elaborated on what changes we made after the Closed Beta you didn't like.

we all actively told you while you were in the beta stage you actively ignored and banned people whom you didn't like and didn't like their point of view. You literally did this to yourselves.

[Ben N Syder]

Originally posted by George | tinyBuild:

Originally posted by redhead9:

Im not even sure if this game will survive past that. They had a near winning formula in the first beta and threw it all away to try and copy every other extraction shooter.

Do you mean the Closed Beta we held back in March? It would be great if you elaborated on what changes we made after the Closed Beta you didn't like.

Originally posted by George | tinyBuild:

Originally posted by redhead9:

Im not even sure if this game will survive past that. They had a near winning formula in the first beta and threw it all away to try and copy every other extraction shooter.

Do you mean the Closed Beta we held back in March? It would be great if you elaborated on what changes we made after the Closed Beta you didn't like.

What is wrong:

Mercs can't turn off lights... no more stealth.

Mercs only have one starter item to damage Aliens... bruh.

Flairs - flashlights - glowsticks. All pointless... you literally just re-made the wheel when you switched to UV.... There is no real difference besides ways it can be "extinguished."
- SIDE NOTE: You mentioned in one post that switching to UV light made it more understandable to new players.... IT WAS NEVER HARD TO FIGURE OUT! The descriptions literally said "LIGHT DAMAGES ALIENS"
If you wanted hallway/ building lights to not do damage, why not explicitly state that and be on with it? Players WILL pick up on that, and the community has players who will share this knowledge, I'm sure.

Aliens can just.. .stay invisible? Why? I cannot do damage unless they stop... but they stop for only a singular SECOND to shoot their slime at me, then they are right back to being invisible.

Performance performance performance. Why are all the games you guys develop so demanding at times?

FOX FIVE MF PISTOL: does not reload for some players! aka me... I have to finish 3 reload animations uninterrupted to successfully reload... this was a problem since the Fox Five was put in as a replacement to the nail gun for the starter pack.

Contracts were made visible... I understand there were recent changes made, but it really took the fun out of locating those objects. Additionally, anybody wise enough to keep tabs on the map will be more able to pinpoint you... so that's an interesting by-product.

The game is not STARTER friendly... and with all the wipes - which im not mad about per say - make it extremely difficult and grindy to start. New or returning players have to grab what they can and HOPE they get out. There is basically zero options to retaliate against players with even slightly better gear, and aliens in general. Especially with the aliens, there is NO RUNNING AWAY. Once you've been spotted - and the alien is joking around and being friendly - you are a dead man.
I personally challenge you to hop in a game with the base starter pack only and experience the current game for yourself. un-moderated, go in and play.
It is a brutal experience. There is such limited stealth, limited ways to play.

The game was the brightest when the game still had the starter pack with nail gun- flashlight - flairs - glow sticks - and health stims.

This where I believe the gameplay had the most fluid and enjoyable experience, even for newcomers. I mean, my friends convinced me to play this game at the time, and I didn't even have the best hardware then. Despite all that, the game had me hooked and it truly was not a difficult experience for me to understand the core mechanics of the game. Perhaps a proper, simulated tutorial level would be a good idea guys if others are really struggling still. I believe strongly the game should revert to a state more reminiscent of the nail gun times in terms of gameplay. I think you've had some fair ideas recently at least with stuff like contracts becoming better but harder to earn as your reputation with that vendor increases. But yea, let me know what you think of this list of concerns,

And if anyone from the community has any more, tag me.