Getting x777 while x666 was active

[bo]

Thing that just happened to me. I went from +850 to +2600 in matter of seconds.
Also a lesson that you should always use Force the Hand of Fate during frenzies

[Mr.PotatoFudge]

legit saves days of time when you get the stars to align with the perfect buffs

[Fyre]

Originally posted by bo:

Thing that just happened to me. I went from +850 to +2600 in matter of seconds.
Also a lesson that you should always use Force the Hand of Fate during frenzies

Put my first sugar lump in a temple and no luck yet but definitely good advice.

[Lampenpam]

If you don't mind save-scumming you can predict the next outcome of Hand of Fate. So you can save up a click-frenzy until you get high building boosted golden cookie. For a giant boost.

Or if you have all golden cookie upgrades, you can wait for something even better: wait until during a frenzy a golden cookie appears and gives a buff that stacks with Frenzy. Now with Fate of Hand's Click Frenzy you get a tripple golden cookie combo for an insane amount of cookies.

And for the end-game, if you are really fast and can combine all three buffs with a large Gozamok Spirit buff (spirit of ruin, sell all the buildings that do like 1% CpS for a massive clicking buff for just 10 seconds) and you can get ten-million more cookies than you make a second.

[Pachyo]

Originally posted by Lampenpam:

If you don't mind save-scumming you can predict the next outcome of Hand of Fate. So you can save up a click-frenzy until you get high building boosted golden cookie. For a giant boost.

Or if you have all golden cookie upgrades, you can wait for something even better: wait until during a frenzy a golden cookie appears and gives a buff that stacks with Frenzy. Now with Fate of Hand's Click Frenzy you get a tripple golden cookie combo for an insane amount of cookies.

And for the end-game, if you are really fast and can combine all three buffs with a large Gozamok Spirit buff (spirit of ruin, sell all the buildings that do like 1% CpS for a massive clicking buff for just 10 seconds) and you can get ten-million more cookies than you make a second.

So you're saying, that the cookie, generated by the Hand of Fate spell, is always predetermined and fix?

e.g. if I save, use spell, reload and use spell again it will always be the same cookie?

[Zukabazuka]

Originally posted by Pachyo:

Originally posted by Lampenpam:

If you don't mind save-scumming you can predict the next outcome of Hand of Fate. So you can save up a click-frenzy until you get high building boosted golden cookie. For a giant boost.

Or if you have all golden cookie upgrades, you can wait for something even better: wait until during a frenzy a golden cookie appears and gives a buff that stacks with Frenzy. Now with Fate of Hand's Click Frenzy you get a tripple golden cookie combo for an insane amount of cookies.

And for the end-game, if you are really fast and can combine all three buffs with a large Gozamok Spirit buff (spirit of ruin, sell all the buildings that do like 1% CpS for a massive clicking buff for just 10 seconds) and you can get ten-million more cookies than you make a second.

So you're saying, that the cookie, generated by the Hand of Fate spell, is always predetermined and fix?

e.g. if I save, use spell, reload and use spell again it will always be the same cookie?

Its not fixed because it wouldn't work doing save scumming. Its just when you load a previous save the chance of you getting the same is low so you would almost always get something different. Just do keep in mind the 777x buff have a 6% chance of activate.

[Lampenpam]

Originally posted by Zukabazuka:

Its not fixed

Wrong, it is fixed:
make a save, conjure a golden cookie and check what it will be. If it's a for example a Cookie Storm and you then reload the save then using Hand of Fate will result again in a Cookie Storm.

So it is already set what golden cookie you will get with HoF, and you can use the same technique to avoid a back-fire spell by simply saving before using a spell, and when the backfire is up, you just select the spell that causes the least damage with a backfire.

Note that the HoF outcome and backfire spells are determinated seperately, so using a different spell to avoid the backfire will not change the next HoF outcome, unless you chose HoF to backfire

EDIT: apparently using the Gambler's Fever Dream spell will actually change the HoF outcome.

[Pachyo]

Originally posted by Lampenpam:

Originally posted by Zukabazuka:

Its not fixed

Wrong, it is fixed:
make a save, conjure a golden cookie and check what it will be. If it's a for example a Cookie Storm and you then reload the save then using Hand of Fate will result again in a Cookie Storm.

So it is already set what golden cookie you will get with HoF, and you can use the same technique to avoid a back-fire spell by simply saving before using a spell, and when the backfire is up, you just select the spell that causes the least damage with a backfire.

Note that the HoF outcome and backfire spells are determinated seperately, so using a different spell to avoid the backfire will not change the next HoF outcome, unless you chose HoF to backfire

Interesting. Thank you very much for clarifying.

[MeisterJohnny]

Thanks, that gave me an idea.
I think it will totally break the game balance... :D

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Originally posted by Lampenpam:

And for the end-game, if you are really fast and can combine all three buffs with a large Gozamok Spirit buff (spirit of ruin, sell all the buildings that do like 1% CpS for a massive clicking buff for just 10 seconds) and you can get ten-million more cookies than you make a second.

This is just as good as it gets. Thank you very much.
Ive unlocked all heavenly upgrades and since Im not idling, Im looking forward for combos&fast progress and the Gozamok advice takes it on another level.

Switched Gozmarok and Mokalsium to put him on diamond...... Gozmarok + Dragonflight + x7(Grimoire-Hand of Fate) + Golden Switch and youre making months of idling worth within seconds.
Im simply amazed. ^^

[Lampenpam]

@Schrute_Farms_B&B
Hm, I should try using Dragon Flight. Maybe after I got Dran Flight and before I start the Gozmarok buff, I switch the Cookie Dragon buffs back to Breath of Milk + Radiant Appetite (5% stronger Kittens + double CpS) since these two buffs almost give you 4 times the CpS together.

You can also turn on the golden Switch after you used Hand of Fate.

I also heard that Bakeberry can allow for some amazing strats when you have a leveled up garden. They give 30 minutes of CpS when harvested, so you can fill up a garden with them and freeze it until you need to harvest 18 hours of your CpS.

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Yeah, I used to switch to Breath of Milk too, but I figured out, that Im running out of time and I have no chance to click the big cookie, since the x1111 Dragonflight bonus lasts only 11 seconds (shorter if not maxed out), and selling almost all buildings + Grimoire and the Golden Switch takes almost 6-8 seconds.

You should also get the "Pet the dragon" heavenly upgrade, if you havent already done it. Petting the little buddy gives you the "Dragon Fang" and it boosts dragonflight.

edit: As for the Bakeberries, it seems pretty effective if combined with frenzy and I can imagine, that dragonflight will let that thing explode but Im still hunting for a bakeberry seed. ^^

[Lampenpam]

Yeah it seems difficult. Maybe Dragon Harvest could be better? It definitely sounds better for the Bakeberries strat.


Also adding from my explaination before about the Hand of Fate save-scumming: Apparently using the Gambler's Fever Dream spell can actually change the next Hand of fate outcome. So this might be usefull when HoF's outcome is crap and you don't want to waste too much magic points only to change HoF

[Schrute_Farms_B&B]

Thats good to know since the Grimoire takes FOREVER to fill up. Using the Gambler for a very low cost can save you a huge amount of time. Thumbs up. ^^

And believe me, the Dragon harvest is nothing compared to Dragonflight. I mean there is no buff, which could keep up with a x1500 (maxed out x1111) CPS bonus. And if you manage somehow to combine it with the x7 frenzy, the things we already mentioned AND a garden full of Bakeberries, well.....I think thats the COOKIE SWEETSPOT. ;)

[Lampenpam]

Alright, I'll try that Dragon Flights strat. If you can get that in a HoF then you can really make it rain cookies.

[Lampenpam]

Ok so I found another thing out. When the HoF outcome is a building-buff, then the selected building is actually random. So I was trying to get the usual tripple-golden-cookie set up and my next HoF was a building-buff. I then saved when clicking the second golden cookie, so I can load the save and retry until my building-buff is a strong one. The second random golden cookie even gave me dragon flight.

Here is the outcome: https://streamable.com/hhysmy
That was insane

Base speed before was 262 tredecillion per second (without golden cookie buffs, without golden switch, but with both dragon auras) and that combo gave me 432 sexillion cookies.
So if I didn't misscalculate, that combo gave me somewhat around 7000 days of idling cookies (even with golden switch, golden veil buff and both dragon auras)