How to fix the stock market: a request.

[Raine]

As of right now, the stock market is.. I mean it can be fun? There's only 1 problem.. Gaseous Assets.

Holy crap. This achievement was a shadow achievement in the web version, for damn good reason! It's awful.

The $10mil achievement is a grind in of itself.. It's going to take me 2-4 months of daily grinding, with full knowledge of what I'm doing, even with fancy spreadsheets and dedicated monitors to keep an eye on things.
That's.. fair. that's tough, but it's an achievement for a reason.

Gaseous Assets on the other hand is just plain.. wrong. It's going to take over a year if you focus fully on it.
The main issue is being unable to ascend. If anybody goes for this achievement, they will be completely unable to progress or ascend for over a year. It's un-fun.
Not only that, but during this whole year, depending on where you are with ascensions, it brings you closer to the point of being completely locked out from earning the 1000 ascensions achievement.

SOLUTIONS

I propose 2 or 3 solutions to this massive issue.

1: Add a "lifetime stock market profits" stat to the stat page, let this stat be the judge of this achievement, so people can slowly earn it over the course of a few years, while still being able to play the game.

2: More fortunes! After getting all the fortune cookies, fortunes no longer show up. that's quite sad tbh. I propose you add ~32 new fortunes, 2 for each stock. these can predict/influence the stock market heavily.
For example: "cki workers about to go on strike due to poor work conditions and abuse while big boss CKI himself uses company money to fly himself to the moon" clicking/seeing this fortune would force the cki stock to plummet down to less than $3
And another boon type fortune that would cause a stock to skyrocket to over $150.

3: Remove the achievement entirely. I doubt a single person would be sad to see it gone.


P.S. The "remove scary stuff" option is incredible. Thank you! Anyone who hasn't seen it, should try it out. it's great.

[Finnquaza]

If you're somewhat optimal and active, you can get around $50k profit an hour of playing, if you just check in once in a while you'll probably get less than that but you don't have to check it all the time at least, and still make gains; there's some people that have already passed $100 million, even without minmaxing for lack of better things to do in the game. Gaseous (and liquid, really) assets are really best left for when you're done with progression entirely since you'll be camping for a while.

Using the above figure of $50k, multiplied by 4 hours a day, makes it 5 months for gaseous, if we're avoiding minmax but consequently being able to stand checking it more hours of the day, $25k an hour times 12 makes it 4 months for gaseous, which is a bit more reasonable.

And probably a different proposed solution is less chances to be stable, chaotic, and slow fall to facilitate more growth, and then higher odds of fast fall as the method of declining.

[Godezord]

and also plz enable us to see what price we bought the stocks come on plz ur rich now

[Neutral Star]

I hate this minigame with a passion. It's just..not...fun and feels like work.
This is something I would expect doing for getting real money and not achievements in a video game.

The fact I can't see the price I bought something for was the final nail in the coffin, I'll be happy never opening this minigame again.

[Azov]

I'm thinking of making this minigame my 2nd unlock (after wizard's tower) since it sounds fun, now I'm starting to have my doubts

[Neutral Star]

Originally posted by stefit555:

I'm thinking of making this minigame my 2nd unlock (after wizard's tower) since it sounds fun, now I'm starting to have my doubts

Unless you're really into stock market and know what you're doing, I'd strongly suggest leaving this minigame for last and maybe even ignoring it altogether unless you want associated achievements.
Somehow, waiting for plants to grow sounds more appealing for me than stocks.

Note that this minigame has one of the most annoying, time-consuming and in general not fun shadow achievements in the whole game.

[Raine]

new solution, a spell in the grimoir, 100 mana. force the stocks to move forward by 10 ticks.

[Horse Gaming]

Originally posted by Raine:

Gaseous Assets on the other hand is just plain.. wrong. It's going to take over a year if you focus fully on it.

And that's why it's a shadow achievement.

[Raine]

Originally posted by DEK:

Originally posted by Raine:

Gaseous Assets on the other hand is just plain.. wrong. It's going to take over a year if you focus fully on it.

And that's why it's a shadow achievement.

The issue is that it's a normal achievement for steam. and destroys any progress for over a year, for anyone trying to get it. and makes other achievements impossible to get .

[Coach Gamer]

TBH, the stock market is boring. Most of the graphs are stable all the time. I don't know if there's an in-game way of cause a change in the stock value, but that would be useful.

[GrandTickler]

both the stock and farm ticks are way to slow imo, sugar lumps too. thankfully the files are very easily modable