Difference between this and Pro Cycling Manager serie

[KinoVEV]

Just like the title mentioned.
What's the difference between this 2 games?
Thanks.

[Saint Scylla]

TDF
racing game
requires a controller
on Steam and consoles

PCM
management game
requires a mouse
includes modding support and multiplayer
only on Steam

Both are decent simulations, but PCM is more detailed and more complex to get in.

[KinoVEV]

Got it!
Thank you for your answer.

[tarzan]

tdf has scale 1:5,pcm has 1:10
higher scale = worse simulation
1 represent 1km,so in tdf 1km virtual is like 200 metres and in pcm 1km virtual is like 100 metres....same stage from tour de france,let's say a montain stage,in pcm you spend 20 min in reality to finish that stage,on tdf you spend 40 minutes
tdf doesn't have many races,my tour doesn't look too fun,you have there all stages 89 but that doesn't mean you can create giro or vuelta,just a a variant of tdf,becomes boring
pcm has more modes and are more complex the career as manager or as cyclist thanks to more races
pcm on scale 1:5 or lower would be a better simulation

[curtyuiop]

I think they would get more sales if they supported mouse and keyboard.

[tarzan]

Originally posted by curtyuiop:

I think they would get more sales if they supported mouse and keyboard.

firstly,pcm doesn't sell good despite being way cheaper and more complex than tdf

secondly,tdf is very minimalistic,doesn't have many races and lot of important races are missing....they literally add 1 classic per year(1 stage),still didn't add all important classics and in this rhythm they never add giro,vuelta and few important 1 week tours

thirdly,if they add keyboard support maybe 10-50 people will buy it,that's not a success or worth the extra coding,i seen only a hand of people complaining
lot of games has controller support,even if you have only pc,you should have a controller for sport,fighting,racing,party games which have couch coop

lastly,tdf never had a proper online mode with a server,pcm in so many years has difficulty hosting 200 users online

it's not keyboard
it's developer not rising their skills
sport games,that have a serie,will change their engine every 4 or 5 years
pcm has same engine for a decade,being small developer not an excuse
also scale is very important,1:10 is making the game unrealistic
i played tdf2012 when it had scale 1:2 and had only playable zones of every stage(not full stages playable,if it were then i could playable 2 or 3 hours a stage) but when i was playing a montain stage 10kms last climb,i felt like i was riding 5kms in real time
in pcm on that high scale,10kms it's like 1 km real

[curtyuiop]

Originally posted by tarzan:

Originally posted by curtyuiop:

I think they would get more sales if they supported mouse and keyboard.

firstly,pcm doesn't sell good despite being way cheaper and more complex than tdf

secondly,tdf is very minimalistic,doesn't have many races and lot of important races are missing....they literally add 1 classic per year(1 stage),still didn't add all important classics and in this rhythm they never add giro,vuelta and few important 1 week tours

thirdly,if they add keyboard support maybe 10-50 people will buy it,that's not a success or worth the extra coding,i seen only a hand of people complaining
lot of games has controller support,even if you have only pc,you should have a controller for sport,fighting,racing,party games which have couch coop

lastly,tdf never had a proper online mode with a server,pcm in so many years has difficulty hosting 200 users online

it's not keyboard
it's developer not rising their skills
sport games,that have a serie,will change their engine every 4 or 5 years
pcm has same engine for a decade,being small developer not an excuse
also scale is very important,1:10 is making the game unrealistic
i played tdf2012 when it had scale 1:2 and had only playable zones of every stage(not full stages playable,if it were then i could playable 2 or 3 hours a stage) but when i was playing a montain stage 10kms last climb,i felt like i was riding 5kms in real time
in pcm on that high scale,10kms it's like 1 km real

I don't care what the games are like, I just said if they have more CONTROLLER OPTIONS, then they might have more sales, the game was made with a mouse and a keyboard, so it should be the first option. only 10 - 50 people? you are wrong.

[curtyuiop]

Originally posted by tarzan:

you don't care to know the facts,you are so dumb
tdf game it was an exclusive consoles game since xbox360/ps3 era,i bought my xbox360 in october 2010 and ps3 in 2011,i started to play tdf 2011 in summer of 2011
my memory kinda fades but since tdf2011 it had splitscreen coop and versus,i played few versions with my brother so online wasn't a must for me back then,we growed into adults,i lost my tdf opponent so i need a very decent online mode in tdf
pcm is an exclusive pc game cause it requires a mouse,i never saw pcm supporting controller cause it has 0 modes for splitscreen/coop couch
developer doesn't know to make a complex version on console,if developer knew then we would had pcm on consoles too
that's why tdf(a pcm minimalistic version) was born cause they couldn't deliver the whole pcm game,i repeated so your brainless head to understand basic facts
first tdf that came on pc was tdf2020,just last year,it's a game that was exclusives console
it requires coding to add your mouse and keyboard,if they didn't add not even this year then isn't an easy task/don't have man power/skilled employees
you and 5 morrons last year complaining about mouse when it writes very visible on game description "it requires controller"
i supported cyanide for 10 years buying tdf and pcm,they made very small changes and every year they fix something but screw something else
pcm2011 had a sprint bug,sprint bar was consumed instantly,they never fixed that in pcm2011,in pcm2012 was fixed
i'm not wrong,you are dumb

blah, blah, blah blahh, yes , your memory is fading like you say. Just try to accept the fact that I think they would get more sales if they supported mouse and keyboard. You can't do anything about my opinion posboy. Now try to untangle those little meat curtains of yours and hike up your skirt.

[tarzan]

you should accept the fact they won't add mouse and keyboard
fact is something that already happened,fact isn't what you think might happen
what you said it's a prediction,not fact
if you are cycling fan,you would buy once in 2 or 3 years a cycling game even if you don't like developer
it such a stupid statement "i buy tdf only if game has mouse keyboard support"
last year was the same thing,in 1 year you couldn't buy a controller
you don't have money to buy a controller and you say you would buy the game,what a broke azz guy
controllers are cheap,you don't need the official xbox controller,literally any 3rd party xbox controller wired works,i use an unofficial controller xbox one with picture of captain america,it was 10$ 3 or 4 years ago
even if developer adds support,only 5 morrons would buy a game just because of mouse keyboard support,that's not sales up,not worthing the time,not just my opinion but the fact that developer doesn't bother for 2 years to add that
you should sell your pc and buy a brain,you needed

[tarzan]

developer needs to come with a new engine and a scale 1:2 or 1:3 if wants sales to rise,not just in tdf but also in pcm,why? cause both games have speed up,in tdf dooesn't show what speed but in pcm has x2,x4,x8
scale 1:2 or 1:3 makes the simulation better,not 1:5 or 1:10
i have an old pc bought in 2015,gtx960 4gb ram and i4 4460
any pcm released since 2015 until today works in 4k resolution and maximum settings,it's a joke
no sport game work properly in 4k on my pc

[curtyuiop]

Originally posted by tarzan:

you should accept the fact they won't add mouse and keyboard
fact is something that already happened,fact isn't what you think might happen
what you said it's a prediction,not fact
if you are cycling fan,you would buy once in 2 or 3 years a cycling game even if you don't like developer
it such a stupid statement "i buy tdf only if game has mouse keyboard support"
last year was the same thing,in 1 year you couldn't buy a controller
you don't have money to buy a controller and you say you would buy the game,what a broke azz guy
controllers are cheap,you don't need the official xbox controller,literally any 3rd party xbox controller wired works,i use an unofficial controller xbox one with picture of captain america,it was 10$ 3 or 4 years ago
even if developer adds support,only 5 morrons would buy a game just because of mouse keyboard support,that's not sales up,not worthing the time,not just my opinion but the fact that developer doesn't bother for 2 years to add that
you should sell your pc and buy a brain,you needed

i'm not reading all this, as i don't care, just realize my opinion.

[curtyuiop]

Originally posted by tarzan:

developer needs to come with a new engine and a scale 1:2 or 1:3 if wants sales to rise,not just in tdf but also in pcm,why? cause both games have speed up,in tdf dooesn't show what speed but in pcm has x2,x4,x8
scale 1:2 or 1:3 makes the simulation better,not 1:5 or 1:10
i have an old pc bought in 2015,gtx960 4gb ram and i4 4460
any pcm released since 2015 until today works in 4k resolution and maximum settings,it's a joke
no sport game work properly in 4k on my pc

the developer needs to do this, the developer needs to do that, wahmbulance time eh?

[tarzan]

you literally don't care about the facts
i told you an engine change and a better scale will improve a lot this game
mouse and keyboard support doesn't improve no gameplay
improved gameplay increases the sales
i'll never acknowledge a dumb point of view
to make their fanbase users to buy game year after year,they need to improve gameplay,new users percentage is small compared to users that already are their clients
you don't have money to buy a cheap controller,i doubt you have money to buy pcm and tdf year
most important,you aren't a cycling fan,in your 120 games no pcm game or tdf

[curtyuiop]

Originally posted by tarzan:

you literally don't care about the facts
i told you an engine change and a better scale will improve a lot this game
mouse and keyboard support doesn't improve no gameplay
improved gameplay increases the sales
i'll never acknowledge a dumb point of view
to make their fanbase users to buy game year after year,they need to improve gameplay,new users percentage is small compared to users that already are their clients
you don't have money to buy a cheap controller,i doubt you have money to buy pcm and tdf year
most important,you aren't a cycling fan,in your 120 games no pcm game or tdf

I think they would get more sales if they supported mouse and keyboard.

[tarzan]

just shut up
pcm has only mouse and keyboard support,yet you never bought any edition of pro cycling manager and your steam account is older than mine
my steam account is from 2013 when pcm started to be exclusive linked to steam,you can check my profile and my 22 games,you'll see i don't lie
yours 2010 and no pcm game you bought,you having 160 games
you don't support your own opinion in practice,so shut up

[curtyuiop]

Originally posted by tarzan:

just shut up
pcm has only mouse and keyboard support,yet you never bought any edition of pro cycling manager and your steam account is older than mine
my steam account is from 2013 when pcm started to be exclusive linked to steam,you can check my profile and my 22 games,you'll see i don't lie
yours 2010 and no pcm game you bought,you having 160 games
you don't support your own opinion in practice,so shut up

I think they would get more sales if they supported mouse and keyboard so you stfu.